Experiment converting corals to freshwater

[BigTomo003]

Many generations.

Are your corals breeding sexually?

Yes it can take, but as I've said, look up the fish that evolved within 10 years (due to humans) I think its called a stickleback fish?

No they aren't although I do get signs of it as my lighting schedule matches that of the Caribbean. They react to the full moon when it gets to a certain part of the year.

 

[robbyg]

It wont work and there is no need to kill animals to find out. This experiment has been going on for hundreds of millions of years and it has always failed. I have seen the results with my own eyes and if your really interested in knowing the answer for yourself I suggest you learn how to Scuba Dive.

I have dived by the mouths of at least three small rivers in the Caribbean.
The water about 200-300 yards from the mouth of these rivers is brackish and you find some life forms but most of it Algae, some sponges and lots of big Parrot fish. At 600 Yards you start seeing real reef including Zoanthids. Anything closer than 100 Yards is a waste land of mostly just brown rock and the water tastes just about fresh.

If it was at all possible to adapt then at least one of the hundreds of various species of corals that are 600 yards out would have started to grow in the brackish area and slowly gotten closer to the river itself. This is not the case and I am sure that in the last 50 years that thousands of divers across the globe have dived the mouth of rivers and if they had found any type of coral they would have been on the news showing off their discovery.

 

[BigTomo003]

Apparently, you also cannot read. let me help you " I dont mean to be rude, but what are your thoughts on the effects on the nervous system, osmoregulation, enzymes, when taking a freshwater fish and attempting to move it to saltwater or vice versa for corals. "

Are u dumb mate do u know what dyslexia is?

Means I can't read or write I don't know what they words say. I'd have to hear it to understand. I only recognise the big words that I've learnt to know.

 

[92Miata]

Yes it can take, but as I've said, look up the fish that evolved within 10 years (due to humans) I think its called a stickleback fish?

No they aren't although I do get signs of it as my lighting schedule matches that of the Caribbean. They react to the full moon when it gets to a certain part of the year.

If your corals aren't reproducing sexually, they're clones. Which means each new one is exactly as resistant as the next one.


So your 'experiment' has nothing to do with the stickleback - it's more like holding someone under water and saying "they'll adapt to no oxygen"

You don't understand any of the biology well enough to conduct meaningful experiments. You're just killing animals.

 

[Fernthereefer]

So you are going to try to replicate millions of years of evolution in 1-5 years in a bowl?

Good luck!

 

[BigTomo003]

Apparently, you also cannot read. let me help you " I dont mean to be rude, but what are your thoughts on the effects on the nervous system, osmoregulation, enzymes, when taking a freshwater fish and attempting to move it to saltwater or vice versa for corals. "

Are u dumb mate do u know what dyslexia is?

Means I can't read or write I don't know what they words say. I'd have to hear it to understand. I only recognise the big words that I've learnt to know

If your corals aren't reproducing sexually, they're clones. Which means each new one is exactly as resistant as the next one.


So your 'experiment' has nothing to do with the stickleback - it's more like holding someone under water and saying "they'll adapt to no oxygen"

You don't understand any of the biology well enough to conduct meaningful experiments. You're just killing animals.

Again, well see

 

[Sharkbait19]

If you don't understand the difference between a cnidarian evolving to tolerate freshwater over millions of years, and this dude tap-watering zooanthids in a 10g tank for youtube views, I don't know what to tell you. One is just not relevant to the other at all.

I am quite aware of the difference between evolution and an experiment. My point was simply that it theoretically is not a lost cause if given enough time. It takes time and numerous factors to evolve. Certain, quick reproducing, organisms can be found evolving within a very short amount of time, usually nothing game changing, but enough to adapt. Zoas reproduce fast enough where evolution can start to be seen rather quickly.
The op isn’t just putting them directly into fresh water, he is taking time to acclimate slightly over the course of many years, and has said he plans to stop the experiment if it starts going wrong. I think he knows that the chances of success is low, but that is part of what science is. You have to push the boundaries despite what those around you thought. We wouldn’t have any of modern science if people gave up because their hypothesis went against the thought of the time.
If it is the corals’ lives you are worried about, a good portion of biological science revolves around animal testing. Just like how cows are bred for steak, these corals are being bred for the purpose of science.

 

[92Miata]

Are u dumb mate do u know what dyslexia is?

Means I can't read or write I don't know what they words say. I'd have to hear it to understand. I only recognise the big words that I've learnt to know

Again, well see

No, we won't, because you'll kill a bunch of animals and then disappear.


Because you obviously aren't capable of admitting that you're wrong, or of learning from people who understand what you're trying to do better than you do.

 

[92Miata]

I am quite aware of the difference between evolution and an experiment. My point was simply that it theoretically is not a lost cause if given enough time. It takes time and numerous factors to evolve. Certain, quick reproducing, organisms can be found evolving within a very short amount of time, usually nothing game changing, but enough to adapt. Zoas reproduce fast enough where evolution can start to be seen rather quickly.
The op isn’t just putting them directly into fresh water, he is taking time to acclimate slightly over the course of many years, and has said he plans to stop the experiment if it starts going wrong. I think he knows that the chances of success was low, but that is part of what science is. You have to push the boundaries despite what those around you thought. We wouldn’t have any of modern science if people have up because their hypothesis went against the thought of the time.
If it is the corals’ lives you are worried about, a good portion of biological science revolves around animal testing. Just like how cows are bread for steak, these corals are being bred for the purpose of science.

The OP doesn't have sexually reproducing corals. They're not going to "adapt" in any sort of meaningful way. This isn't going to be any more productive than dumping them in a bucket of fresh water.

He doesn't even have a hypothesis because he doesn't understand basic coral biology. If slow acclimation worked - we'd already have zooanthids in the mouths of rivers. The experiment has already been done. Billions of times.

This is nothing like animal testing - animal testing requires codified hypothesis, and ethical review. Its not "I'm going to put an animal in a hostile environment and see what happens"

 

[Jib]

How long does it take an organism to evolve?

If I recall correctly you said based on your research 1-5 years lol

 

[BigTomo003]

I am quite aware of the difference between evolution and an experiment. My point was simply that it theoretically is not a lost cause if given enough time. It takes time and numerous factors to evolve. Certain, quick reproducing, organisms can be found evolving within a very short amount of time, usually nothing game changing, but enough to adapt. Zoas reproduce fast enough where evolution can start to be seen rather quickly.
The op isn’t just putting them directly into fresh water, he is taking time to acclimate slightly over the course of many years, and has said he plans to stop the experiment if it starts going wrong. I think he knows that the chances of success was low, but that is part of what science is. You have to push the boundaries despite what those around you thought. We wouldn’t have any of modern science if people have up because their hypothesis went against the thought of the time.
If it is the corals’ lives you are worried about, a good portion of biological science revolves around animal testing. Just like how cows are bread for steak, these corals are being bred for the purpose of science.

Well said. I'm glad somebody actually understands what I'm saying and not just jumping in, "u can't do that ur killing animals bla bla bla" I have no intention on killing or even harming a dang animal. As you stated litraly about all experiments to do with medicines or human technology advances is always tested on animals, such as pigs as they are close to us. So if all of the zoas are replicas of each other then they would adapt to the environment every time a new head is made.

 

[Angel_Anthias lover]

To quote Taylor

I think everyone needs to calm down, and approach their point of view with a softer tone

 

[Hincapiej4]

Are u dumb mate do u know what dyslexia is?

Means I can't read or write I don't know what they words say. I'd have to hear it to understand. I only recognise the big words that I've learnt to know

Again, well see

Are you saying you can't understand the words "or" "vice versa" "for" "corals"? I'm sure I've seen you understand "or" and "corals" for sure I've seen. (Ok this is petty now, but I'm not letting you get away with crap, because you've proven yourself to be "not nice" (pg13).

 

[BigTomo003]

If I recall correctly you said based on your research 1-5 years lol

You really don't need to reply anymore lol. It's a dang starting point your like that kid at school that always takes EVERYTHING literally.

 

[BigTomo003]

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To quote Taylor

I think everyone needs to calm down, and approach their point of view with a softer tone

I highly agree.

 

[92Miata]

So if all of the zoas are replicas of each other then they would adapt to the environment every time a new head is made.

So, I'll ask again:


What specific biological process are the zoanthid clones using to 'adapt' to a low salinity environment?

 

[Sharkbait19]

Look, I’m just taking this the way I see it. To me, I’m looking at what seems to be a well planned test, where the op is trying to see for himself if corals can be adapted to freshwater. We all know it is a one in a million chance it works, but I for one would be interested in seeing how it works. I may have the op all wrong in his plans and experiment, I’m just looking at it with a bit of optimism and support, largely because I find the idea very interesting.

 

[BigTomo003]

Are you saying you can't understand the words "or" "vice versa" "for" "corals"? I'm sure I've seen you understand "or" and "corals" for sure I've seen. (Ok this is petty now, but I'm not letting you get away with crap, because you've proven yourself to be "not nice" (pg13).

Omg of course I know what dang coral and vice versa means but the dang question he's asking me I don't understand

 

[RVA REEF]

I've been growing sps in coors light on my youtube channel for years

 

[Hincapiej4]

You really don't need to reply anymore lol. It's a dang starting point your like that kid at school that always takes EVERYTHING literally.

When science is involved, that's what it is...everything has to be literal and documented. Maybe you're looking for religion?