Experiment converting corals to freshwater

[Hincapiej4]

Were already doing it. Climate change changes habits every day.

Yea, as in...EVERYTHING IS SLOWLY DIEING. this guy lol

 

[BigTomo003]

It was edited due to people swearing

OP - your post was edited by a moderator, but rather than make gross assumptions on how animals in research labs are treated and cared for, I suggest you do some research into governing- and accrediting-bodies such as AAALAC and NIH. The AAALAC guide is free for download and places heavy focus on the humane care and ethical treatment of animals.

Download the pdf here: https://www.aaalac.org/pub/?id=E905B4D2-EC0B-5638-4898-1553E7CFCBAB

Especially if you are convincing yourself that research on living organisms in professional laboratory environments justifies a (seemingly) haphazard experiment at home.

Yall are acting like I'm giving meth to my dog then trying to get it to have a baby with a cat. dang man

 

[driftin]

Great outlook on caring for the living creatures under your responsibility. I take it you will not read, or even skim, the guidelines because the UK has a different governing body?

Here - resources that you may care about: https://www.aaalac.org/resources/regulations-resources/#uk

 

[BigTomo003]

Great outlook on caring for the living creatures under your responsibility. I take it you will not read, or even skim, the guidelines because the UK has a different governing body?

Here - resources that you may care about: https://www.aaalac.org/resources/regulations-resources/#uk

Says nothing about putting corals in freshwater, irelivant

 

[Sharkbait19]

This isn’t animal cruelty. If it was, then most animal tests would be, and I’d hate to be callous, but we’re talking about coral, not people. How many of you take some overgrowing Xenia and dispose of it, or plug an aptasia because it’s ugly and unwanted? People frag coral and throw it out all the time, at least he is putting his frags to use.

It is 100% possible that coral could evolve to freshwater environments, though naturally, and maybe even experimentally, it would take couple million years. It is possible that someday in 500 million years people will say that coral can’t live in saltwater, as it evolved to be in freshwater (for whatever reason).

 

[RVA REEF]

everyone who seen the leprechaun say yea

 

[Hincapiej4]

OORRRR it wouldn't EVER evolve and just die. Death happens all the time in nature....plenty of things have gone extinct because they didn't evolve...that's actually what evolution is all about....

 

[brandon429]

3...2...1... heh. had to get in b4

I spent a few minutes thinking about boundaries though/rules for experiments and when we wanted to try small reefs in the early 2000's everyone was against it, but we werent changing this level of adaptation we just removed some gallons. ok most all the gallons, people got mad but at least we showed up with the experiment already running two years w pics, setup shots and maturation and coralline in place

already knowing 100% of readers were skeptics, we presented tiny reefs covered in coralline and asked how that happened when not possible.

no pre-baiting. here, we're getting baited

 

[Eric1493]

Your comment wasn't funny, just really dumb. Tell me 1 way that it's not possible. Go on...

Dude. I honestly cannot fathom why you think that it is possible. How do you propose that the zooxanthellae are going to adapt to the different osmotic potentials? By "evolving"? Every statement you have made is nonsensical speculation, with no scientific backing. If you increase the water potential of the surroundings of any living cell, it is a scientific fact that the cell will swell and rupture; no evolution is going to save them. It doesn't matter how slowly you do it, I could put carbon monoxide in a closed chamber with a person in it, and the fact that the carbon monoxide will displace the oxygen in the blood won't change, regardless of what "evolutions" occur. You saying that "we'll see" is just nonsense; I could say the same about throwing people off of buildings. Additionally, the claims that all living things want to live are absolutely correct. However, we still see that corals cannot grow or thrive near freshwater runoffs, even after millions of years of adaptation. Corals want to live grow, but why haven't they grown into freshwater environments? Your logic is blatantly wrong and you cannot justify killing corals for some science experiment that seemed like it was designed by a 4-year-old.

 

[Sharkbait19]

You are all correct in your statements, I’m just trying to be optimistic.

 

[BigTomo003]

This isn’t animal cruelty. If it was, then most animal tests would be, and I’d hate to be callous, but we’re talking about coral, not people. People frag coral and throw it out all the time, at least he is putting his frags to use.
It is 100% possible that coral could evolve to freshwater environments, though naturally, and maybe even experimentally, it would take couple million years. It is possible that someday in 500 million years people will say that coral can’t live in saltwater, as it evolved to be in freshwater (for whatever reason).

I know, good point.


People get a blade and cut anemones in half to get them to split.

You also cut corals in half to frag them
And as u stated the bad ones get thrown away most of the time

Again, you guys are over reacting there's worse things that Reefer do to coral than trying something that could be beneficial. How many of u guys corals and fish are taken from the ocean to go in your tanks?

dang

 

[Sharkbait19]

OORRRR it wouldn't EVER evolve and just die. Death happens all the time in nature....plenty of things have gone extinct because they didn't evolve...that's actually what evolution is all about....

But that’s also why we experiment to help things evolve. By your logic, there are dozens of animals that would be extinct from competition or bad environment, if it weren’t for humans giving a helping hand.

 

[smacbride]

Most people on this site are just trying to keep corals alive in a regular salt-water tank and having issues! ;Wideyed

 

[Jon Warner]

This is Julian Sprung talking about the threat to the Aquarium Hobby from the Eco Morality Police.

Worth watching

 

[chipmunkofdoom2]

Your comment wasn't funny, just really dumb. Tell me 1 way that it's not possible. Go on...

I'm so glad that life doesn't work like this.

Pharmaceutical corporation: we've released a new drug called Zxaxyzray. It makes people live forever!
Customer: that's a pretty bold claim... a drug can't possibly keep people from dying. The second law of thermodynamics basically guarantees that everyone will age and decay eventually.
Pharmaceutical corporation: Tell me 1 way that it's not possible. Go on...

Car dealer: this car has a battery that never needs to be recharged! You charge it once, it runs forever!
Customer: how is that possible? Doesn't the energy need to come from somewhere? It's not possible to create something out of nothing, including energy.
Car dealer: Tell me 1 way that it's not possible. Go on...

Financial adviser: I've developed a new secret algorithm that gets you 100% returns on your investment EVERY SINGLE DAY! Investing $1 today will yield over one billion dollars in just one month!!
Customer: How is that possible? The stock market averages between 8% and 12% annually. Even the most shady insider-trading hedge funds only advertise around 40% annual returns, and that's before fees.
Financial advisor: Tell me 1 way that it's not possible. Go on...

 

[BigTomo003]

But that’s also why we experiment to help things evolve. By your logic, there are dozens of animals that would be extinct from competition or bad environment, if it weren’t for humans giving a helping hand.

Yeah, if we can clone a dang sheep or bring back an extinct animal I'm sure we can get a coral to adapt to a different habit. People aren't getting the point

 

[Sharkbait19]

I think they’re all looking at it like “it’ll never work”, and though that is a likely outcome, why should someone not try??

 

[excell007]

Why in so much hurry to do this. Why don't you do more research. Just a few months ago you're openning threads like 'opinions on my first tank', 'will my zoa colony die' and 'what's wrong with my zoa'.

I like you optimism though, considering you just started your first reef tank last February.

 

[Triple.T]

I read this whole thread, you literally have NO idea on what you're doing! When asked anything that WOULD validate your little " experiment " , you simply couldn't answer...When asked about your hypothesis you couldn't answer..At this point, I dont think you even know the definition of common words! Yet, you want to do what?

Man I'm trying to be nice...you really need to get a clue..!! Not just about your experiment either!

 

[Eric1493]

But that’s also why we experiment to help things evolve. By your logic, there are dozens of animals that would be extinct from competition or bad environment, if it weren’t for humans giving a helping hand.

I think you don't understand what evolution is. Evolution is the gradual change that results in natural selection favoring a group of organisms with a specific phenotype, which has a biological advantage. Evolution is NOT something that is induced. To address your second point, you are absolutely correct. There are multiple species that fit that description, including pandas. You should have actual evidence to back up your claims before you make them.