Haddoni / Clown Pairing

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Hello Everyone,

This week I received my new haddoni carpet in the mail. This is the second time I have attempted to keep one. My first attempt in December 2023 was a failure and was documented here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/new-haddoni-carpet-declining.1024494/.

I have changed many things since then, along with the tank and myself maturing for an extra 1.5 years.

Things have been going very well with this anemone; my group of 4 black saddleback clowns are living in a separate 10 gallon tank for the moment.

It set its foot where I made it a spot with rocks buried beneath the deep substrate. It's not getting blown around, but is receiving enough flow to blow debris off its oral disc. The lighting is right; no major expulsion of zooxanthellae has been observed. No mouth gaping, deflations, or excessive inflations. Today the mouth is closed completely.

My plan is to wait until next Tuesday, which will mark one week in the tank, and if the mouth is closed tightly and nothing else has changed, I will spot feed with a small bit of Rod's Original frozen food in the evening. I'll see how it takes it and maybe feed every few days or so in the evening. I do plan to spot feed this anemone with Rod's Original frozen regularly as size is my goal. This is an anemone aquarium and the carpet is the centerpiece.

At that point I'd like to consider reintroducing fish, and I'm at a bit of an impasse here.

Like I mentioned, I do already have a group of 4 black saddlebacks that I've had for about a year and a half. The female is about 3 - 3.5" long, two males are between 2 - 3" long and the smallest male is about 1.5" long. During my last attempt at keeping a haddoni they were very rough with it. I believe that the constant dive bombing inside the anemone was one of the factors that led to it's demise.

In my head here I have a couple options:

#1 - Keep the Black Saddlebacks. I would reintroduce the female first (too big to fit into mouth). After a few weeks I would reintroduce the smaller males and see how it goes. Maybe she will keep them out of the anemone, but there's no way to know until you try. It seems like a high risk option. Failure isn't acceptable at this second attempt, these anemones are so much work to procure, introduce, and settle in.

#2 - I want to keep the anemone with a natural clown pairing so I believe the only other species acceptable is Clarkii. I have read that Clarkii is generally very good with anemones. No relentless dive bombing. I believe I have read that they are more pair bonding than the Saddlebacks and would likely only tolerate a single pair in the tank. That's ok if it means a healthier anemone.

What do you guys think? Do you try to reintroduce the group of 4 Saddlebacks or take the safe route and trade them in for 2 Clarkii?

Thanks for your help. I've attached some pictures of the anemone just for reference.

Jacob

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You are doing the right thing by waiting. I had a pair of Clarki and they were also very rough with the nem. I have kept just about every type of nem there is in the trade. My current Mertens is about 36 inches across and is host to a pair of percula. Give it time to get established and it will be able to handle the constant rough snuggles your clowns will give it. It looks very healthy in the picture. Do you have plans to introduce other nems? My Clarki did best when they had several houdani to choose from, then each was getting the rough stuff, not just one.

Be careful, nems like the Houdani can quickly become an obsession.
 
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Thank you for your reply.

No, I currently do not have any plans to add other anemones to this system.

The open sand bed for this haddoni is approximately 24" wide by 18" deep, and I'd like this anemone to occupy as much of it as possible.
 

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Divebombing is usually a sign that there is something wrong with the anemone. If the haddoni is healthy, and assuming it is appropriately sized for the clownfish, if should be able to withstand any abuse.

If the saddlebacks are getting along, I don't feel that there is a need to add them to the tank at separate times. It could cause a shift in the hierarchy which could lead to flighting.
 
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If the haddoni is healthy, and assuming it is appropriately sized for the clownfish, if should be able to withstand any abuse.

If the saddlebacks are getting along, I don't feel that there is a need to add them to the tank at separate times. It could cause a shift in the hierarchy which could lead to flighting.

Thank you.

In your first line you mention "assuming it is appropriately sized for the clownfish" - That is a big part of my phased introduction strategy. Right now the anemone is only 6 - 8" in diameter. It's pretty small even for the 3 - 3.5" female on her own without the 3 males.

My thinking here is that if she goes in first, not only will it minimize disturbance on the anemone, but it might also give her time to get acquainted and keep the other 3 at bay once they get in. I may be dreaming or off base here.

What do you think about the 6 - 8" size? Probably only big enough for 1 - 2 clowns max until it's closer to 10 - 12" in diameter?
 

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Thank you.

In your first line you mention "assuming it is appropriately sized for the clownfish" - That is a big part of my phased introduction strategy. Right now the anemone is only 6 - 8" in diameter. It's pretty small even for the 3 - 3.5" female on her own without the 3 males.

My thinking here is that if she goes in first, not only will it minimize disturbance on the anemone, but it might also give her time to get acquainted and keep the other 3 at bay once they get in. I may be dreaming or off base here.

What do you think about the 6 - 8" size? Probably only big enough for 1 - 2 clowns max until it's closer to 10 - 12" in diameter?
I think more than anything what @D-Nak was getting at is that by removing the female if you wait for the nem to get to 10 - 12 inches, it is highly likely that one of the 3 in isolation may transition to a female and that could cause some serious fighting once there is a reintroduction.
 
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I think more than anything what @D-Nak was getting at is that by removing the female if you wait for the nem to get to 10 - 12 inches, it is highly likely that one of the 3 in isolation may transition to a female and that could cause some serious fighting once there is a reintroduction.

Thanks, I could understand that logic. That point seems to complicate it a little further.... hmm....
 

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