How to Quarantine

melypr1985 · Aug 28, 2017

57hornet said:
I have a quarantine question regarding inverts. I am following Humblefish's protocals and have a fish QT and a coral QT. My question is what about other inverts (shrimp, crab, snails, erc.)? Also, do I need to "feed" my coral tank so there is an ammonia source or do the corals do that?

Yes, all inverts with a hard shell or exoskeleton should go into the coral QT. Shrimp or crabs that molt and don't have a shell that they live in can go into the display after a molt. It would be best to feed these inverts occasionally since they may starve themselves out. I sometimes use a bit of nori tied to a frag plug.... they all flock to it and feast lol. I do feed my QT corals occasionally as well along with dosing amino acids and vitamins twice a week. I dont' do water changes on it as often as I probably should, but the corals seem to do well anyway.

57hornet · Aug 28, 2017

Thank you for the help Meredith.

melypr1985 · Aug 28, 2017

57hornet said:
Thank you for the help Meredith.

You are very welcome

Fringe09 · Sep 2, 2017

I'm going with Option A outlined on the first page. I've taken the paragraph and broken down it by day. I want to keep the fish quarantine for just 30 days. Did I write the process down correctly?

Day 0a:
Freshly mixed saltwater which has been fully dissolved and circulating for at least 24 hours.

Day 0b:
Add Bio-Spira, Seachem Stability or Dr Tim's Nitrifying Bacteria.

Day 1:
Fish is floated in the bag for 20-30 minutes (to temp acclimate) and then released into QT with matching SG. Give the fish a few days to recuperate and try to get him eating. Once he’s eaten for two consecutive days…

Day 4:
Prazipro treatment (dose once). Wait 5-7 days.

Day 11:
20-25% water change or Ammonica reducer such as Amquel or Prime. 2nd round of Prazipro treatment (dose once). Wait 5-7 days.

Day 18:
20-25% water change or Ammonica reducer such as Amquel or Prime.

Day 23:
20-25% water change and run activated carbon for 24 hours.

Day 24-30:
After removing the carbon, begin either Chloroquine phosphate or copper treatment until 30 days is reached. Fish should be ready for the DT so long as he’s eating, looks healthy and isn’t displaying symptoms of any disease.

Big G · Sep 2, 2017

Fringe09 said:
I'm going with Option A outlined on the first page. I've taken the paragraph and broken down it by day. I want to keep the fish quarantine for just 30 days. Did I write the process down correctly?

Day 0a:
Freshly mixed saltwater which has been fully dissolved and circulating for at least 24 hours.

Day 0b:
Add Bio-Spira, Seachem Stability or Dr Tim's Nitrifying Bacteria.

Day 1:
Fish is floated in the bag for 20-30 minutes (to temp acclimate) and then released into QT with matching SG. Give the fish a few days to recuperate and try to get him eating. Once he’s eaten for two consecutive days…

Day 4:
Prazipro treatment (dose once). Wait 5-7 days.

Day 11:
20-25% water change or Ammonica reducer such as Amquel or Prime. 2nd round of Prazipro treatment (dose once). Wait 5-7 days.

Day 18:
20-25% water change or Ammonica reducer such as Amquel or Prime.

Day 23:
20-25% water change and run activated carbon for 24 hours.

Day 24-30:
After removing the carbon, begin either Chloroquine phosphate or copper treatment until 30 days is reached. Fish should be ready for the DT so long as he’s eating, looks healthy and isn’t displaying symptoms of any disease.

Fish need to be in copper for 30 days. "After removing the carbon, I begin either Chloroquine phosphate or copper treatment for 30 days."

Fringe09 · Sep 2, 2017

Big G said:
Fish need to be in copper for 30 days.

With that, quarantine will reach 60 days.

One the first page, it states "A fish should be left in QT for a minimum of one month.". How do I adjust the schedule if I only want to quarantine for around 30 days? Is it possible?

Big G · Sep 2, 2017

Fringe09 said:
With that, quarantine will reach 60 days.

One the first page, it states "A fish should be left in QT for a minimum of one month.". How do I adjust the schedule if I only want to quarantine for around 30 days? Is it possible?

Yes you can in 30 days. Use the "Tank Transfer Method." You'll use a lot more salt and then there is the setup, cleaning and sterilizing of empty container/tank. But if you have the time - and you must stick to the 72 hour schedule - you'll be done, as long as the fish responds well to the treatments in 30 days.

Fringe09 · Sep 2, 2017

Big G said:
Yes you can in 30 days. Use the "Tank Transfer Method." You'll use a lot more salt and then there is the setup, cleaning and sterilizing of empty container/tank. But if you have the time - and you must stick to the 72 hour schedule - you'll be done, as long as the fish responds well to the treatments in 30 days.

No, I don't like the "Tank Transfer Method". You're right, way too much work.

Kind of bummed. 60 days before I can put a fish in my DT. Can I eliminate copper treatment and just have the fish stay in the QT from day 24 to 30?

Big G · Sep 2, 2017

Yeah, I hear ya. I've got some Firefish kicking it at day 42 in the QT right now. Google "Ick / Velvet in my saltwater tank" - Nightmare.

Fringe09 · Sep 2, 2017

Adjusted my schedule and kept copper treatment for 30 days. I had an extra five days on my original schedule and I reduced the 5-7 days wait to 5 days. Now I am at 45 days total. Much better.

Day 0a:
Freshly mixed saltwater which has been fully dissolved and circulating for at least 24 hours.

Day 0b:
Add Seachem Stability.

Day 1:
Fish is floated in the bag for 20-30 minutes (to temp acclimate) and then released into QT with matching SG. Give the fish a few days to recuperate and try to get him eating. Once he’s eaten for two consecutive days…

Day 4:
Prazipro treatment (dose once). Wait 5 days.

Day 9:
20-25% water change or Ammonia reducer such as Amquel or Prime. 2nd round of Prazipro treatment (dose once). Wait 5 days.

Day 14:
20-25% water change or Ammonia reducer such as Amquel or Prime. Run activated carbon for 24 hours.

Day 15-45:
After removing the carbon, begin either Chloroquine phosphate or copper treatment for 30 days. Fish should be ready for the DT so long as he’s eating, looks healthy and isn’t displaying symptoms of any disease.

rich nyc · Sep 2, 2017

what happens if you make a qt because you have velvet. I treated the fish with cupramine. however did not use prazipro as I felt getting them velvet free was important. Is it possible to prazipro after. My DT has a 76 day fallow but I only have 1 qt

melypr1985 · Sep 2, 2017

rich nyc said:
what happens if you make a qt because you have velvet. I treated the fish with cupramine. however did not use prazipro as I felt getting them velvet free was important. Is it possible to prazipro after. My DT has a 76 day fallow but I only have 1 qt

Yes you can. Run carbon and do a few water changes and you can dose prazi for them. Dose it two times 5-7 days apart with a water change in between. You can run copper and prazi at the same time, but it's always best to separate them out when possible.

Humblefish · Sep 2, 2017

Fringe09 said:
Adjusted my schedule and kept copper treatment for 30 days. I had an extra five days on my original schedule and I reduced the 5-7 days wait to 5 days. Now I am at 45 days total. Much better.

Day 0a:
Freshly mixed saltwater which has been fully dissolved and circulating for at least 24 hours.

Day 0b:
Add Seachem Stability.

Day 1:
Fish is floated in the bag for 20-30 minutes (to temp acclimate) and then released into QT with matching SG. Give the fish a few days to recuperate and try to get him eating. Once he’s eaten for two consecutive days…

Day 4:
Prazipro treatment (dose once). Wait 5 days.

Day 9:
20-25% water change or Ammonia reducer such as Amquel or Prime. 2nd round of Prazipro treatment (dose once). Wait 5 days.

Day 14:
20-25% water change or Ammonia reducer such as Amquel or Prime. Run activated carbon for 24 hours.

Day 15-45:
After removing the carbon, begin either Chloroquine phosphate or copper treatment for 30 days. Fish should be ready for the DT so long as he’s eating, looks healthy and isn’t displaying symptoms of any disease.

Looks good except:

Don't use any ammonia reducers in conjunction with meds (especially copper).
Don't hesitate to use copper first, prazi last if you suspect the fish has Marine Velvet Disease.

Fringe09 · Sep 2, 2017

Humblefish said:
Looks good except:

Don't use any ammonia reducers in conjunction with meds (especially copper).

Don't hesitate to use copper first, prazi last if you suspect the fish has Marine Velvet Disease.

Thank you for looking it over. Appreciate it.

Question. Ammonia reducer was mentioned as an alternate method on page 1. When do you use it? Besides the first few days, the fish are medicated the rest of the time until moved to DT.

Humblefish · Sep 3, 2017

Fringe09 said:
Question. Ammonia reducer was mentioned as an alternate method on page 1. When do you use it? Besides the first few days, the fish are medicated the rest of the time until moved to DT.

It can be used during TTM when no meds are present in the water; or before or after medicating. Some people like to give the fish a prolonged period before medicating (to get eating). Or no meds after treatment(s) are complete to observe to ensure no diseases were missed.

Fringe09 · Sep 3, 2017

Humblefish said:
It can be used during TTM when no meds are present in the water; or before or after medicating. Some people like to give the fish a prolonged period before medicating (to get eating). Or no meds after treatment(s) are complete to observe to ensure no diseases were missed.

Makes sense. Thank you again.

rich nyc · Sep 3, 2017

Thanks. Oh well I feel bad. I woke up today on day 2 of qt and all my fish were dead
I will have to rethink fish stocking a month before my fallow period but still 75 days to go.
Just for future reference when you say run carbon I could just use something like chemipure blue right. Thanks

Humblefish · Sep 3, 2017

@rich nyc Sorry for your losses.

Velvet can be devastating and can be a very difficult disease to treat.

melypr1985 · Sep 3, 2017

sorry for your losses

Fringe09 · Sep 5, 2017

@Humblefish or @melypr1985

I hope one of you can help me with the copper treatment with Seachem Cupramine product. I'm not sure why I am not understanding the treatment instructions.

Instructions state: