ich?

[sascoaquatics]

sorry to be vague but mainly checking tjat it won’t harm them by adding treatment? also to check if it could be something else and to ask if it is ich whst treatment u recommend that won’t affect fish or snails and conch. here is a photo but he isn’t very easy to take pics of, there doesnt seem to be many dots but they have been there for at least 1-2 days now so i can’t see it be sand, he is 6 years old and i have another clownfish and a royal gramma that seem fine, í noticed a few days ago he had been not very active and he lost his appetite for a day so i tested all perimeters and my nitrite were pretty high so i did a water change and it’s going down but all my other fish seem fine so assuming it might not be related? he seems better today he’s swimming around with his partner and eating pretty much like normal (which is a lot) and was yesterday aswell? any help ís appreciated í hope ím just stressing over nothing

 

[sascoaquatics]

sorry to be vague but mainly checking tjat it won’t harm them by adding treatment? also to check if it could be something else and to ask if it is ich whst treatment u recommend that won’t affect fish or snails and conch. here is a photo but he isn’t very easy to take pics of, there doesnt seem to be many dots but they have been there for at least 1-2 days now so i can’t see it be sand, he is 6 years old and i have another clownfish and a royal gramma that seem fine, í noticed a few days ago he had been not very active and he lost his appetite for a day so i tested all perimeters and my nitrite were pretty high so i did a water change and it’s going down but all my other fish seem fine so assuming it might not be related? he seems better today he’s swimming around with his partner and eating pretty much like normal (which is a lot) and was yesterday aswell? any help ís appreciated í hope ím just stressing over nothing

sorry just to add í just looked and he probably has 5 spots now throughout his body

 

[Fish Fan]

Maybe one of the R2R #fishmedic gays can take a look for you.

Good luck!

 

[winxp_man]

Second picture looks to show that. But pics under bright white lights or a video posted to YouTube and linked here is the trick to showing us what is going on.

Clowns are hardy and the don’t get ich very easy, this is speaking from ich break out experience. It could also be sand specs. My maroon had small spots like ich for a few days and they ended up being sand haha.

Either way better pics under bright white lights will help. And no nothing on the market that will take care of ich. QT setup with copper power is the only way to make sure it’s taken care of. And I have tried different things myself.

Edit: one last thing putting chemical meds to kill a diseases will seep into the sand and rocks, then leech out over time even with water changes being done. As for copper power it will kill anything that is not a fish. So don’t use that in a DT.

 

[Jekyl]

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[Uncle99]

A 6 year old clown pair should be very strong if nothing added lately….ick not something I’d expect, but of course, possible.

I’d treat nothing until you know what, if anything, is up. Just going to add stress, that’s not going to help.

Any dots on the fins?
Many times easier to see on the fins…

Once the experts see some clear pics, should be able to confirm for you.

 

[sascoaquatics]

thank you for all the help, tomorrow morning when the lights are back on í cqn take white light pics @Uncle99 @Jekyl @winxp_man . i would also be shocked if it was ich hoping it’s just a bit of stress from the nitrite, to add though í moved them across from a 100l to a 300l and the there is a royal gramma in that tank but she was pre quarantined by the people i bought it buy for a week ish and if i remember right she had been in there for í think a week before i moved my clowns across and she is very healthy and i haven’t noticed anything since í added her, the only other thing is í have been slowly bringing the salinity down (í stopped for a day or 2 as worried about the clown) and i know that could make them stressed so hoping the white ís sand as there were also some sand specs stuck on the glass

 

[winxp_man]

thank you for all the help, tomorrow morning when the lights are back on í cqn take white light pics @Uncle99 @Jekyl @winxp_man . i would also be shocked if it was ich hoping it’s just a bit of stress from the nitrite, to add though í moved them across from a 100l to a 300l and the there is a royal gramma in that tank but she was pre quarantined by the people i bought it buy for a week ish and if i remember right she had been in there for í think a week before i moved my clowns across and she is very healthy and i haven’t noticed anything since í added her, the only other thing is í have been slowly bringing the salinity down (í stopped for a day or 2 as worried about the clown) and i know that could make them stressed so hoping the white ís sand as there were also some sand specs stuck on the glass

Once white light pics and video is posted that will help big time to possibly identify the issue.

 

[sascoaquatics]

here are the white light photos, ím a bit confused because i’ve looked this morning in blue light and there are definitely still spots tjat don’t look on the surface yet in the white light almost nothing ís there, í did just think my only other question is when i added the sand and rocks and the white of them seems to come off a bit so if he rubbed against any of it could it have left these white marks. also there are none on his fund at all only on the body and they don’t look raised almost like it’s his skin

 

[Uncle99]

I can’t see any ick on the clowns.

I can’t see anything out of norm, but pics on my end not focused enough.

Check fins, especially on the body, behind the gills, and fins.

I’d just keep a eye, if it is ick, it will be back in numbers.

You posted 6 years old. Maybe some spawning behaviour.

If you are lowering salt, you can go down very fast, it’s up you gotta go slow.

Stabilize your salinity.

 

[sascoaquatics]

I can’t see any ick on the clowns.

I can’t see anything out of norm, but pics on my end not focused enough.

Check fins, especially on the body, behind the gills, and fins.

I’d just keep a eye, if it is ick, it will be back in numbers.

You posted 6 years old. Maybe some spawning behaviour.

If you are lowering salt, you can go down very fast, it’s up you gotta go slow.

Stabilize your salinity.

yeah sorry sadly out of the pair this is the one who never keeps still enough side ways to get a good photo, i’ll look tomorrow again as seems to be getting more white dots but none on fins, íf it is ich ís it not odd though that for now tje other clown and royal gramma don’t have it?

 

[Uncle99]

yeah sorry sadly out of the pair this is the one who never keeps still enough side ways to get a good photo, i’ll look tomorrow again as seems to be getting more white dots but none on fins, íf it is ich ís it not odd though that for now tje other clown and royal gramma don’t have it?

Nope, not odd.

I see “something” maybe two small circular dots on the first two pics, but, couldnt say it was ick.

Maybe down the road they get infected, maybe not. If it is ick and your sure, then treat them all at once, the RG is one of those fish whereas ick is frequent.

Not all fish are equally affected, some have thick slime coats like clowns and some (like many tangs),ick seems more common.

Some fish may be “immune” however not sure why, many say well fed active fish in low stress environments get ick less….idk…makes some sense.

If dots are increasing in numbers, then lower in say 4 days, then back with more numbers, that’s likely the ick cycle.

It maybe accompanied by uncharacteristic lethargicness, slower or no food intake, scratching, rubbing, twitching….

 

[vetteguy53081]

sorry to be vague but mainly checking tjat it won’t harm them by adding treatment? also to check if it could be something else and to ask if it is ich whst treatment u recommend that won’t affect fish or snails and conch. here is a photo but he isn’t very easy to take pics of, there doesnt seem to be many dots but they have been there for at least 1-2 days now so i can’t see it be sand, he is 6 years old and i have another clownfish and a royal gramma that seem fine, í noticed a few days ago he had been not very active and he lost his appetite for a day so i tested all perimeters and my nitrite were pretty high so i did a water change and it’s going down but all my other fish seem fine so assuming it might not be related? he seems better today he’s swimming around with his partner and eating pretty much like normal (which is a lot) and was yesterday aswell? any help ís appreciated í hope ím just stressing over nothing

This is Not from spawning and not common with tangs. These are secondary bacterial lesions from either stress or early stage brook often confused with ich. Ich will multiply daily and is not the case. Treat tank with ruby rally pro which will control both this and potential for brook.

 

[sascoaquatics]

This is Not from spawning and not common with tangs. These are secondary bacterial lesions from either stress or early stage brook often confused with ich. Ich will multiply daily and is not the case. Treat tank with ruby rally pro which will control both this and potential for brook.

if it is stress which i think is most likely will they just dissapear once the water becomes stable? but should i still treat the tank with the ruby rally pro? will that cause any issues with the sand like people were saying about other treatment or affect the inverts? thanks for all the help

 

[vetteguy53081]

if it is stress which i think is most likely will they just dissapear once the water becomes stable? but should i still treat the tank with the ruby rally pro? will that cause any issues with the sand like people were saying about other treatment or affect the inverts? thanks for all the help

Ruby rally pro is safe to use and addresses many clownfish issues and would not hurt to use

 

[sascoaquatics]

Ruby rally pro is safe to use and addresses many clownfish issues and would not hurt to use

hi, ís there any alternatives? as ive searched that up and sadly they don’t deliver in the uk

 

[vetteguy53081]

hi, ís there any alternatives? as ive searched that up and sadly they don’t deliver in the uk

Perfect- I didnt realize youre in the UK.
For your country, you can use Sera Tremazole, NT labs Acriflavine or Waterlife Myxazin. NT labs Acriflavine more effective

 

[sascoaquatics]

Perfect- I didnt realize youre in the UK.
For your country, you can use Sera Tremazole, NT labs Acriflavine or Waterlife Myxazin. NT labs Acriflavine more effective

ok, ís this the one? also thank you so much for all the help it’s great being able to ask experts about this kind of thing. also to add the boy clown with the dots ís eating and swimming better but has gone off mysis and brine at the moment and only wants pellets, but still has all the white dots, but i’m still worried about the larger female as for the past 2-ish days she has had her mouth wide open, tonight it has closed a lot more but she isn’t eating today or yesterday, bith of them are very active though and have been swimming around happy so i’m very unsure?

 

[vetteguy53081]

ok, ís this the one? also thank you so much for all the help it’s great being able to ask experts about this kind of thing. also to add the boy clown with the dots ís eating and swimming better but has gone off mysis and brine at the moment and only wants pellets, but still has all the white dots, but i’m still worried about the larger female as for the past 2-ish days she has had her mouth wide open, tonight it has closed a lot more but she isn’t eating today or yesterday, bith of them are very active though and have been swimming around happy so i’m very unsure?

Mouth open can be due to excess mucus and yes, this is the right med to use. Will tint the water green which is normal. Add an air stone to help with oxygen and FW dip mentioned will offer temporary relief

 

[sascoaquatics]

Mouth open can be due to excess mucus and yes, this is the right med to use. Will tint the water green which is normal. Add an air stone to help with oxygen and FW dip mentioned will offer temporary relief

ok thank you, should i buy an air stone or ís an ai nero on the surface the same? also can i ask this koi one í sent an image of that ís fine in tbe saltwater tank? and it won’t kill my snails or invertebrates as it seems to be saying it might