Ich..

[Josett Waid]

Well not a thread I really wanted to be posting today but sadly enough one of our DT has ich and maybe one more.. So this morning I woke up and turned on my tank lights and of course my clownfish had ich.. This was something we were very worried about because last weekend we went to a new fish store we've never been to, so since it was recommend we had to check it out. At the store every tank had some form of disease, and even the store owner said all his tanks had ich in them.. So knowing that they had ich we bought fish anyway (I know stupid on our part) but we already had three QT tanks set up to put the fish in. We bought a coral beauty, 6 line wrasse and a puffer. The coral beauty and 6 line were in a frag tank system with inverts which we got two turbo snails from. So we thought ok maybe these fish since they were in a frag tank they'll be good, nope! We were wrong. When we put the coral beauty in the QT within an hour white dots were all over him.. So thankfully we were smart enough to put him and the wrasse in QT together. Well so also we bought three corals from the same frag tank and put them in my tank.. Big mistake.. The reason I say that is I believe there was ich on the corals. I did FWD the corals but we had no coral dip and we didn't even think of putting them in QT.. Also we put the snails in the other DT tank.. So now my question is, I've read that it's possible that the ich can come on corals so is that possibly how I got it in my tank? And do y'all think it could have been on the snails too? Also I was reading one of humblefishes threads about aerosol transmission, upon reading it I began to wonder if maybe it traveled from my QT to my DT tank. The reason I'm thinking this is because my QT and DT are only about maybe 6 feet away from each other but that's just me speculating at this point I'm just trying to throw out there ever possibility, and there was no cross contamination I make very sure that I don't do that so that's out of the question. So if anyone has answer and maybe opinions on this it would be very helpful.. And as of right now the coral beauty is the only fish not doing too well but hopefully he'll get better.. Also as some know we posted a thread in early October about our velvet outbreak, so it just really sucks to have to go through this again.. Even after we learned our lesson and QT ever fish but still it looks like we can't seem to do anything right.. *sigh:(*

 

[Brew12]

Well not a thread I really wanted to be posting today but sadly enough one of our DT has ich and maybe one more.. So this morning I woke up and turned on my tank lights and of course my clownfish had ich.. This was something we were very worried about because last weekend we went to a new fish store we've never been to, so since it was recommend we had to check it out. At the store every tank had some form of disease, and even the store owner said all his tanks had ich in them.. So knowing that they had ich we bought fish anyway (I know stupid on our part) but we already had three QT tanks set up to put the fish in. We bought a coral beauty, 6 line wrasse and a puffer. The coral beauty and 6 line were in a frag tank system with inverts which we got two turbo snails from. So we thought ok maybe these fish since they were in a frag tank they'll be good, nope! We were wrong. When we put the coral beauty in the QT within an hour white dots were all over him.. So thankfully we were smart enough to put him and the wrasse in QT together. Well so also we bought three corals from the same frag tank and put them in my tank.. Big mistake.. The reason I say that is I believe there was ich on the corals. I did FWD the corals but we had no coral dip and we didn't even think of putting them in QT.. Also we put the snails in the other DT tank.. So now my question is, I've read that it's possible that the ich can come on corals so is that possibly how I got it in my tank? And do y'all think it could have been on the snails too? Also I was reading one of humblefishes threads about aerosol transmission, upon reading it I began to wonder if maybe it traveled from my QT to my DT tank. The reason I'm thinking this is because my QT and DT are only about maybe 6 feet away from each other but that's just me speculating at this point I'm just trying to throw out there ever possibility, and there was no cross contamination I make very sure that I don't do that so that's out of the question. So if anyone has answer and maybe opinions on this it would be very helpful.. And as of right now the coral beauty is the only fish not doing too well but hopefully he'll get better.. Also as some know we posted a thread in early October about our velvet outbreak, so it just really sucks to have to go through this again.. Even after we learned our lesson and QT ever fish but still it looks like we can't seem to do anything right.. *sigh:(*

You guys just can't catch a break!
Aerosol transmission is a possibility but I would think it is more likely it came in on your frags or snails. And no, there is nothing I am aware of that will kill the ich cyst on coral that would not also kill the coral so dipping wouldn't have helped either. Ich will form a cyst on any hard surface available so if the store had a large amount of ich in their system it is likely that the ich was entrenched on just about every hard surface in the tank.

 

[Josett Waid]

You guys just can't catch a break!
Aerosol transmission is a possibility but I would think it is more likely it came in on your frags or snails. And no, there is nothing I am aware of that will kill the ich cyst on coral that would not also kill the coral so dipping wouldn't have helped either. Ich will form a cyst on any hard surface available so if the store had a large amount of ich in their system it is likely that the ich was entrenched on just about every hard surface in the tank.

Thanks, that's what I was thinking about it encrusting on the corals and snails.. Now that just adds to more of our already terrible day because now we have to worry about our 50g which has an emperor angle and trigger fish.. and they hated QT.

 

[Josett Waid]

Well sadly the coral beauty didn't make it.. When we gave him a FWD this morning he was just covered in ich and I think giving him the dip it was just too much on him..:( Well I just hope we got to all the other fish in time.

 

[Josett Waid]

Also can we put a diatom filter in a QT tank to help with ich or would it not be a good idea because there's copper in the tank?

 

[melypr1985]

I've read that it's possible that the ich can come on corals so is that possibly how I got it in my tank? And do y'all think it could have been on the snails too?

Yes, ich can/will come from any invert with a hard surface including corals. It's always best to QT your corals and inverts for 76 days before they go into the display.

I began to wonder if maybe it traveled from my QT to my DT tank

This is possible too.

Also can we put a diatom filter in a QT tank to help with ich or would it not be a good idea because there's copper in the tank?

If you are already treating with copper I don't see much point in using a diatom filter along with it.

 

[Josett Waid]

Yes, ich can/will come from any invert with a hard surface including corals. It's always best to QT your corals and inverts for 76 days before they go into the display.

This is possible too.


If you are already treating with copper I don't see much point in using a diatom filter along with it.

Ok thanks, yeah we're most likely going to switch one of our fish QT to just a coral QT. This hobby is just a huge learning experience and now after this we will just always QT ever fish and coral but what about snails and crabs? If we make a coral QT can they go in the tank with them? And alright we won't put the filter in there but thanks for the help!

 

[melypr1985]

what about snails and crabs? If we make a coral QT can they go in the tank with them?

Yes. All inverts can go in the same QT. It's basically a frag tank with no fish-ever. They all stay there for 76 days. You can take the opportunity to be sure you arn't passing any coral pests into your DT as well. I recommend doing them in batches since anytime you add something new the whole -long- clock starts over for everybody.

 

[Josett Waid]

Yes. All inverts can go in the same QT. It's basically a frag tank with no fish-ever. They all stay there for 76 days. You can take the opportunity to be sure you arn't passing any coral pests into your DT as well. I recommend doing them in batches since anytime you add something new the whole -long- clock starts over for everybody.

Alright great and ok yep we'll make sure we just get what we want at a certain point and just wait the 76days before getting something else. But thanks a lot for the help, we will try to not have to ever post another thread like this again.:(

 

[melypr1985]

Alright great and ok yep we'll make sure we just get what we want at a certain point and just wait the 76days before getting something else. But thanks a lot for the help, we will try to not have to ever post another thread like this again.:(

You're very welcome. I hope you don't have a need to post here again, but if you do we'll be here for you :)

 

[Joey waid]

I guess, my thoughts are on the diatom filter is it will help with the infestation and give the fish a break. I was in a thread with Paul B and Humble and others, and they are saying to use a diatom filter when ich is present, but there's no copper in the tanks. ( I think ) I have read that the diatom filter will pull out some metals, is copper one of those?

 

[melypr1985]

I guess, my thoughts are on the diatom filter is it will help with the infestation and give the fish a break. I was in a thread with Paul B and Humble and others, and they are saying to use a diatom filter when ich is present, but there's no copper in the tanks. ( I think ) I have read that the diatom filter will pull out some metals, is copper one of those?

Well, it's meant to be a tool to use while going the "ick management" route with your tank.... at least until further testing can be done. It's not meant to be a cure. I'm not up on the latest and greatest with diatom filters so I can't tell you for certain if it will take out metals like copper. But I wouldn't risk using one while treating with copper unless your plan is to ditch copper treatment and go the "ick management" route.

 

[Brew12]

I guess, my thoughts are on the diatom filter is it will help with the infestation and give the fish a break. I was in a thread with Paul B and Humble and others, and they are saying to use a diatom filter when ich is present, but there's no copper in the tanks. ( I think ) I have read that the diatom filter will pull out some metals, is copper one of those?

Diatom filters are a mechanical filter designed to remove very small particulates from water. It shouldn't remove anything that is completely dissolved in water such as copper.

 

[melypr1985]

Diatom filters are a mechanical filter designed to remove very small particulates from water. It shouldn't remove anything that is completely dissolved in water such as copper.

Thanks for the clarification on that :)