Introducing the Oceamo Organo-MS Analysis

saltyfins · Thursday at 5:51 PM

Vested said:
Is moonshiners still requiring stores to buy all of the trace elements before even getting wholesale on your icps? Personally would love to use oceamo but have no interest in dealing with Andre. Apparently other places dont either, very hard to get your test in the US because of moonshiners.

I'm sorry, this is a statement I really dont understand! Andre is top notch, and will help you non-stop with your tank. He will break it all down for you, and explain how to make your tank, look just like his. If you cant order, then order it through moonshiners...what's the problem there? I'm not particularly fond of BRS....but I order from them anyway. Always had help when I needed it from them, Just like with Andre. so weird to come on here to say that

hatfielj · Friday at 7:23 AM

Randy Holmes-Farley said:
What fraction of the cipro remained based on your starting dose?

Not sure how I would figure that out. I dosed a total of three 500mg tablets over the course of 3 days and my system volume is roughly 90 gallons. That was probably 3 months before sending this analysis

hatfielj · Friday at 7:29 AM

Dan_P said:
Thank you.

I will add your results to the database and reply to you here with the analysis. I’m currently trying to meet many commitments and this might take a few days. Your system might have won the prize for least amino acids, but we will let the numbers do the talking.

Oceamo has found many chemicals in my system too. I think it is a testament to the sensitivity of the analytical method (this is Star Wars or Star Trek technology), maybe nothing to worry about. Christoph’s commentary at the end of the analysis puts things in perspective.

I would definitely be interested in adding future test results.

Dan

Edit: Just did a quick look at the amino acid data. The total amount is not that unusual. Which amino acid concentrations are high and which are low is where we can see some differences, although the meaning is unknown.

Yeah, I have no idea what to make of the amino acid data either. I wasn't dosing anything at the time other than kalk, a little bit of 2 part, and brightwell replenish for trace. I feed my fish exclusively frozen food and they are fat and healthy, so I know I'm not underfeeding the tank. I was running a refugium that had a lot of macro growing in it, but have since trimmed it all back and decreased the photoperiod in case that had anything to do with it (my nitrates were low at the time too). My thoughts were that possibly I had some sort of bacterial overgrowth somewhere in the tank that could be using up the aminos?
I have since switched to Modern Reef system for dosing everything and their complete reef food and polypop is supposed to include necessary aminos, so I'm interested to see how my next test looks after dosing this for another few weeks or so.
My corals have been in, what I would say is, pretty good health overall. My colors aren't 100% what I'd like them to be and I have a handful of dormant acro frags, but most corals are healthy and growing.

Randy Holmes-Farley · Friday at 9:47 AM

hatfielj said:
Not sure how I would figure that out. I dosed a total of three 500mg tablets over the course of 3 days and my system volume is roughly 90 gallons. That was probably 3 months before sending this analysis

That gives a concentration of 1500 mg/90 gallons = 4.4 mg/L.

What was the measured value?

Dan_P · Friday at 5:42 PM

hatfielj said:
Yeah, I have no idea what to make of the amino acid data either. I wasn't dosing anything at the time other than kalk, a little bit of 2 part, and brightwell replenish for trace. I feed my fish exclusively frozen food and they are fat and healthy, so I know I'm not underfeeding the tank. I was running a refugium that had a lot of macro growing in it, but have since trimmed it all back and decreased the photoperiod in case that had anything to do with it (my nitrates were low at the time too). My thoughts were that possibly I had some sort of bacterial overgrowth somewhere in the tank that could be using up the aminos?
I have since switched to Modern Reef system for dosing everything and their complete reef food and polypop is supposed to include necessary aminos, so I'm interested to see how my next test looks after dosing this for another few weeks or so.
My corals have been in, what I would say is, pretty good health overall. My colors aren't 100% what I'd like them to be and I have a handful of dormant acro frags, but most corals are healthy and growing.

Sounds like everything is under control.

Amino acids might be useful as a diagnostic someday, but right now, the story seems unclear. Christoph demonstrated how quickly amino acids disappear from aquarium water, half the dose gone in twenty minutes. Maybe the amino acid profile is telling us something about the microbiome.

Looking forwards to your second Organo-MS test .

areefer01 · Friday at 5:48 PM

Dan_P said:
Christoph demonstrated how quickly amino acids disappear from aquarium water, half the dose gone in twenty minutes.

This is the scary part to me. Not horror movie scary but rather the unknown scary. Where did they go? Skimmer? Polyps? How did we determine the length of time and how was that conducted (not knocking or saying it is wrong just wondering how).

I've ignored the amino marketing blitz and felt my display was fine. I gave in and said ok, maybe I'm missing something so started to add them. Then sort of felt dumb because there are other market driven buzz like Bolus or ammonia and I tuned that out. So not sure how I'm so selective but my point is that I didn't noticed anything different before, or after, adding aminos.

I stop dosing and I am right back where I started other than maybe buying a analysis test to confirm what I already knew...

TL; DR - playing Dora the Explorer and wondering where in the world my amino's went...

Hope your day is well. Have a great weekend!

Dan_P · Friday at 6:05 PM

areefer01 said:
This is the scary part to me. Not horror movie scary but rather the unknown scary. Where did they go? Skimmer? Polyps? How did we determine the length of time and how was that conducted (not knocking or saying it is wrong just wondering how).

I've ignored the amino marketing blitz and felt my display was fine. I gave in and said ok, maybe I'm missing something so started to add them. Then sort of felt dumb because there are other market driven buzz like Bolus or ammonia and I tuned that out. So not sure how I'm so selective but my point is that I didn't noticed anything different before, or after, adding aminos.

I stop dosing and I am right back where I started other than maybe buying a analysis test to confirm what I already knew...

TL; DR - playing Dora the Explorer and wondering where in the world my amino's went...

Hope your day is well. Have a great weekend!

I am collecting amino acid concentration information under different scenarios, for example, during vinegar dosing, to see if sense can be made from tests of aquarium water.

As for how amino acid dosing benefits coral, maybe you figured that out already :-)

hatfielj · Friday at 6:28 PM

Randy Holmes-Farley said:
That gives a concentration of 1500 mg/90 gallons = 4.4 mg/L.

What was the measured value?

Looks like it was 0.87 micrograms/L

hatfielj · Friday at 6:35 PM

Dan_P said:
Maybe the amino acid profile is telling us something about the microbiome.

I agree. All this new data we're getting on our tanks is interesting, but we're just in the early stages of trying to figure out what it all means. For me, the biggest reason I sent this test was to see if I had any bad actors like pesticides or herbicides, etc. The only reason I plan on sending a second one is to see what a few weeks of CAC does to the make up of the water.
Moving forward, I probably won't continue sending these unless I'm having a major problem with the corals and can't figure it out.