Wwc grafted the green always finds a way to shine through even in the broken pieces.I like that cap top right, beautiful piece
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Wwc grafted the green always finds a way to shine through even in the broken pieces.I like that cap top right, beautiful piece
Supposedly Sea World Orlando started the grafts on that for wwc. BeautifulWwc grafted the green always finds a way to shine through even in the broken pieces.
Solid piece for me. Shines and throws much better polyps shown in around 50-100par. Low flow. Just blows upSupposedly Sea World Orlando started the grafts on that for wwc. Beautiful
My genuine answer is I watch the fish for Atleast 30 minutes (Usually an hour) before I buy it and if it ticks all the boxes of “Peaceful” “Reef safe or Reef Safe With Caution” “Healthy” I find the final one to be critical and if I had to QT at any point I probably would (Or I’d turn my DT into a FOWLR that looks like a Reef). When I get the fish all I do is temperature acclimate and drop into the tank. Here’s how I did it last night with a flashing tilefish;Rather than everyone having " snipes " at each other then after few pages change " direction,would been nice if everyone just give their own experiences and little info on how they do it rather qt or no qt then new reefers could of just read through the post really simply,it was going so smoothly from people who qt or don't qt doing exactly this then bam wallop kaboom it can't be true and people will lie as cant be proved if what they are saying is true because its experiences in their own tanks and they not started a work thread advising others not to qt and advised how to do it and cannot be tracked .plus much more negativity.
Then as expected the tone changed for the worse.
Now thread trying to get turned into how best to not qt and people have got to have had a reef tank longer than some been alive so now rules to the thread.
Again this thread just about if people lost fish due to diesese/parasites in first 8 months and optional if want to say how you achieved this .
Then sure new reefers can read through thread and see how many lose fish and how they lost fish or didnt lose fish and how they set tank up and kept it running,then new reefers can make informed decision how they wish to proceed.
But in reality it seems if doesnt go a certain way then discredit people and call them liars and install sets of rules but even if people did oblige I would guess first rule of no work threads giving new reefers advice on how to not qt would come into play .
Bizarre really bizarre ^_^
And thanks again to everybody that replied to the thread giving their own experiences whether it's just on their own tank or if worked at a lfs or zoo or whatever .much appreciated .
P.s : I don't own r2r or even this thread so cant stop what people write but if was a brand new reefer wanting to set up my very first reef tank,I know I would be reading this thread thinking wow whats going on here,and I get its very passionate subject but was just a question to see if could possibly be true or not.
Anyway hope all is well and enjoying there day and remember " it's nice to be nice " ^_^
Is this not what the group is for anyway? For help, support, shared knowledge or suggestion. Just like raising children, or anything we do for that matter. We all have our own way of doing things, and definitely entitled to our own opinion. Sounds like you learned through an experience, and choose to qt now. All good.@brandon429
I don’t think that 80% of all reefers have losses if they don’t quarantine, but certainly believe it’s a high number. People don’t say they have a problem until they do. And the sample size here can only be used to estimate all of them.
My first round of fish lasted 2 months. I didn’t quarantine and even when fish were dying I did nothing. Lesson learned.
When my fallow was finally over, I did it the right way: keep fish in qt and observe for any possible disease, and treat for whatever shows up. I’ll do a preventative dewormer on my fish too just to be safe.
No disease problems in the dt since. Only had the start of brook on my clowns due to improper fallow (so back to the qt they went). Been quite some time now since the clowns first went in and not a ich cyst, fluke, or anything since. Working on getting my firefish through the qt now, and then I will be done adding fish.
It’s all about luck of the draw. Some fish will be sick when you get them, others won’t. Some may even wait until they’re out of qt for it to show up. Do I think that everyone who doesn’t qt will wind up with disease? No. But I ask, is it really worth the risk?
Part of it is having an initial loss too. If you go your entire reefing career with no losses and no qt, it won’t make sense to. But when something does go wrong, you see the importance. I’m not saying anyone is right or wrong for qt or not, just what I think the process is for most people.
I also do it this way:My genuine answer is I watch the fish for Atleast 30 minutes (Usually an hour) before I buy it and if it ticks all the boxes of “Peaceful” “Reef safe or Reef Safe With Caution” “Healthy” I find the final one to be critical and if I had to QT at any point I probably would (Or I’d turn my DT into a FOWLR that looks like a Reef). When I get the fish all I do is temperature acclimate and drop into the tank. Here’s how I did it last night with a flashing tilefish;
So first, I saw the tilefish last weekend and stared at it thinking it was beautiful but the issue was it was flashing (There was no other tilefish in there), so I reserved it and went back yesterday. That gave me a week to research these guys I could not find anything other than why they flash, where they’re from, and that they need a lid but I knew he was eating in the store already since he had been in there for 3 weeks prior and he was still VERY fat. I went back and he was doing just fine, he was swimming just at the bottom of the tank, I then watched him for around an hour to just double check everything was alright. Then the guy at my LFS bagged him up (I put complete trust in these guys to care for these fish in the way they should be cared for). Once I got home I then temperature acclimated him for 20 minutes since he had been in the bag already for about an hour and 30 minutes so I didn’t want to risk ammonia spiking with him. After the 20 minutes was up, I undid the bag and just dropped him and the water straight into the DT. I made sure nothing was able to stress him out and it didn’t because for some reason, everyone else was bickering on the right side of the tank while this guy was chilling on the left side and swimming - No signs of flashing or anything. He went into the tank, hovered for a bit and then went into the cave where he still poked his head out for a good hour and kept going to the back of the cave and burrowing, I have never seen a fish with so much personality in such a small body (Even my Blenny and goby can’t match this guys personality). I will keep an eye out today for aggression from the tang and jade wrasse (Usually when I introduce a new fish those two are the first to go after it but they have yet to go for the tilefish).
These percentage quotes in these threads fascinate me. Those percentages are probably correct in a Noob tank. I don't know. In my tank they are 100% wrong because I don't lose any fish to disease.”If I made a guess - a person buying pet store grade, SE Asian fish at a local "regular" pet store and not quarantining, is going to see about 80% mortality in a year: the 15% baseline, plus 40% inherent losses due to poor quality fish, leaving 25% loss from uncontrolled disease (which may include older fish exposed to sick fish).
Paul you showed how to grow the white worms but I'll be danged if you showed me how to stuff them. Recipe please.Have a great day after Thanksgiving and give your fish some stuffing.
Jay's numbers are based on commercial understanding. There is a good amount of bleed over, but it is still that, his perspective. His is not the word of God. People respect what he says because he is honest and forthright about what he sees. Most people don't question his motives nor his figures, but that doesn't mean that they agree with his assesment of any particular application. I am 100% sure Jay would say the same of any of us. This is what makes life awesome, biodiversity.Jay arrived at a lesser % risk, and it didn’t take ten pages of insults and asking me about my pico reef while posting fifteen pics of his home reefs to arrive there. Jay spoke, readers took notes, and didn’t rise up in unison against quarantine for fourteen pages.
You are just delusional or malicious. I will refrain from guessing.in the end the recommend to initiate quarantine won, simple as that.
I have it ... nothing important in it. Brandon is right he's just senile and bald.I don’t have Paul’s book , only because I’m cheap. So my family like Christmas list and this year I put the book on my list. I know I will get it because it cheaper then everything else on the list. Knowing my family I’m going to get a copy.
Seriously dude, you are delusional. SMDHfrom the thread in the disease forum:
”If I made a guess - a person buying pet store grade, SE Asian fish at a local "regular" pet store and not quarantining, is going to see about 80% mortality in a year: the 15% baseline, plus 40% inherent losses due to poor quality fish, leaving 25% loss from uncontrolled disease (which may include older fish exposed to sick fish).”