You can do what I did. TTM with prazipro. 12 days can't beat that.I just read Jay's recommendation on Qt...in the disease forum...I'm not going through a 62 day process like that EVER.. What I do works well for me..
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You can do what I did. TTM with prazipro. 12 days can't beat that.I just read Jay's recommendation on Qt...in the disease forum...I'm not going through a 62 day process like that EVER.. What I do works well for me..
I wonder how many have given up the hobby after a huge crash? That's more painful than losing fish in qurantine. I know when I had velvet, I was utterly bummed and depressed and downgraded for a few years. After that I was determined to have an ich free tank. And here I am.. happier than ever knowing I would never have to worry about parasites suddenly appearing instead of taking risky chances and hoping for the best.The QT crew loses alot more... BTW..if anyone wants a sealed unopened Gal of NFP's PRAZIGOLD ...lmk , cheap.. pm me
Hello there Hudu. Sorry, I didn't even know this thread existed.
Contrary to popular opinion I don't spend all my waking hours on here searching out interesting threads. Much of my time, but not all of it. I normally just check if there is anything new on one of my threads then go outside and count cicada's in the dirt.
I did just read quite a few of the threads and it seems we are looking to start a new tank with dry rock. My advice would be to get another hobby.
Sorry. I started my tank with dead rock that I collected live in the sea in the tropics, and bleached in my hotel room to carry it home on my lap. I had many problems at first. Dry rock with nothing added from the sea is most often a disaster weather you quarantine, don't quarantine or offer up tea leaves to the moon.
If you want to do this and have some sort of success try to get at least some live rock. The more you get, the more successful you will be. I realize live rock is expensive but it is more important than controllers, dosers, oxidators, ozonizers or fish.
I don't know what boxed salt costs but you won't have to change the water very often so buy rock instead.
It is probably the most important thing you can do. Bacteria in a bottle won't do it so leave that in the store and buy live rock.
One important aspect of having a healthy and hopefully immune tank is the have the fish feel secure and they won't in a tank with new, white, dead rock. They will get sick, Sorry, but it is what it is.
I even say it in the beginning of my book (that Noobs should not read) That new tanks with all new, white dead rocks will be a disaster.
If I were to start a new tank with new rock, which I would not do, I would set it up and add a lot of hermit crabs, shrimp, arrow crabs etc. Creatures that don't care much about the surroundings but they will poop. They are also very interesting and usually cheap.
They will be your best friend for a year or two to stabilize the tank and add some needed bacteria.
You will however have to add "something" from the sea besides those to seed the bacteria and much needed pods.
Feed this tank heavily a little to much. Yes the parameters will suffer. Don't worry about it the crabs won't care. You are trying to build up a bionome (I can't spell that so work with me)
You are trying to get some growth on the rocks weather it be hair algae, cyano or Godzilla Larvae but you need growth. You can change the water later, don't worry about it.
Eventually you will have pods all over the place and a little algae growth on the rocks. It may take two years, in the meantime collect stamps, play golf, pop pimples, do something but don't start adding Achilles tangs or they will get ich and die, guaranteed. Then you will blame me and say that Paul B doesn't know a pod from a cockroach. ;Bucktooth
You can't start a successful, immune, healthy tank by using dry everything and put in a bunch of fish and corals in a week. It ain't gonna happen no matter how much oxygen, bottled bacteria, test kits, medications or Fairy God Mothers you have.
This takes time. After you have those shrimp and crabs in there for a while (Ok you can add a couple of cheap fish but if they get sick, don't medicate them)
Then you can add some fish, not a moorish Idle. Maybe some wrasses, gobies etc.
If you see some spots, close your eyes and you won't see them. Fish need to get infected to become immune.
I will try to finish this later. I have wife stuff to do.
Brandon my friend. I don't think I mentioned free ammonia anywhere and I certainly am not an ammonia expert as I don't set up tanks all the time. But as to live rock, I personally would not set up a tank with all dead rock.You're saying just because we can control free ammonia does not mean the other twenty missing absolutely vital links in the chain wont show up in various ways, quickly.
wow. thanks for spending so much time on that! Well said!It seems almost everybody in this hobby weather you quarantine or offer tea leaves up to the moon is missing. It doesn't matter to the fish what you want to do. Quarantining isn't new. I was here when "us Geezers" invented the thing and I was one of the original advocators of it so, yes, I know all about it and I also used it because we tried everything to keep fish from dying as we didn't know what we were doing and there were no medications, internet, experts or anything else.
This was almost 20 years before Burgess and that other guy came out with that parasite life cycle chart.
(When I discovered that feeding live worms to salt water fish would allow me to stop quarantining I kept doing that. No one at the time was feeding worms to salt fish as that was in 1971-2 when the hobby started)
You can of course keep a tank like that and if your goal is to have a "healthy " tank for a few years, maybe 8 or 10, then do that and you will be successful. There are no old quarantined tanks so maybe you will be the first to have one.
I don't see many reasons why quarantined tanks can't last a long time, they just don't. I think I know why but I don't want to get into it because of the arguments especially from people with 5 or 6 year old quarantined tanks, which I said many people have.
But that doesn't matter. Even if you want to quarantine, medicate, dip etc, you can still keep the fish healthy forever but IMO you should, at some point get some living bacteria into those fish.
Fish don't have to live with parasites and if you quarantine, they won't. I feel that in time, you will inadvertantly get a parasite in there, but if you are very careful, forever, you may be fine.
It is hard for fish to live like that but if you at least get living bacteria into the fish they will have some level of immunity even if it is much weaker than a fish in the sea will have.
So I think after you quarantine or do whatever you feel is necessary to keep diseases away from fish feed some live food a few times a week and never feed dry foods.
I think that would go a long way towards keeping healthy fish. Quarantined fish can't be exposed to parasites (or anything else) so use live worms because they won't have parasites that can live in salt water.
I would not feed what I feel is the best salt water food, fresh or freshly frozen clams because they could harbor parasites that could infect your fish.
I don't know if worms alone will have enough or any of the correct bacteria to keep fish healthy for what I feel is the "only" measure of a successful tank where the fish die of their presumed old age or close to it.
8 or 9 years old for a fish like a tang, is not a success. Not bad, but not a success. Sorry, it just isn't.
Remember keeping fish away from diseases, including bacterial diseases will certainly leave the fish open to infection to them at some point due to lack of immunity.
If you like scientific studied just Google search Probiotics in fish, or Keeping fish healthy through Pro biotics or Gut bacteria in fish and how it effects the immune system, or how the immune system works in fish.
Good luck with your tanks and I hope your fish live longer than Yoda.
See now DweltAlloy. I like that reply. I would also like it if you didn't agree with me as I disagree with 90% of what is on these forums. But you said what you wanted with no argument or telling me how wrong I am and I don't know a Possum wrasse from a poodle, or that I should go and stick myself in the eye with a tuxedo urchinwow. thanks for spending so much time on that! Well said!
Now that is completely false and total BS. I hope you don't tell that to everyone that wants to get into the hobby. I have been into freshwater for over 15years been keeping freshwater stingrays for about 5 years, been into reefing for about 6 or so years. I have never had a designated quarantine tank until about a year ago or so. I have never lost a fish do to not QT. I think 100% more important than a qt tank is a hospital tank that can be used at a mo.ents notice to medicate fish/corals etc. Under no circumstances does not having a qt tank Meen that your fish will die. Complete false statement.Consider qt as necessary as the display tank parts, if can’t be bought then don’t buy fish they’ll just die in eight months. No qt = no fish, coral only.