Large anemones cipro HELP

[CarpetSurfer]

Hi all, so I’ve got this large gig/haddoni (has verucae but honestly looks more like a haddoni) it’s been in qt for going on like 9 days now and it is still purging and deflating.

For reference and context this is not my first carpet or gig so I’ve got some experience




However this is the first one to really test my husbandry skills

So long story short got a this large nem with a small haddoni and placed both in a 10g qt tank (ik not ideal but both had crystal clear water in their bags and looked good.) haddoni never deflated once (and still hasn’t) but I have since placed into a separate qt tank and is still doing great. The large nem tho is going on it’s like 9th day of treatment and just purged for a 4th time(actually got the end of it in video)

Starting yesterday I upped the dosage to 500mg cipro and 500 amoxicillin.

Has anyone else had a large anemones purge this much before? If so did you change treatments at all or just keep following it and doing water changes when water gets cloudy? How long should I keep this antibiotic treatment up? Honestly not really sure what else to do at this point.

 

[CarpetSurfer]

I woke up to find the water slightly cloudy, did a water change and readministered meds then 10 minutes later I saw it purging so I’m thinking it my rush to do a water change it must have been purging at the same time so probably should have waited till it finished so I didn’t have to do ANOTHER. WC and readminister meds right after doing one but whatever guess it can’t hurt. But again this is like the 4th purge (not nearly as bad as the first 3, first 3 looked like milk which thankfully I caught within a few hours) and the first after having started amox yesterda. I will say mouth is usually closed pretty tight even after purging ands it’s never detached or bulged into that frisbee shape that many gigs do when they are on their way out

 

[CarpetSurfer]

Currently yellow (and I think it may actually be a real yellow not a neon green or bleached) is doing amazing and I’ll probably do another week of observation while doing WC with my display tank water

 

[billysprout]

Sometimes antibiotics don’t directly treat the infection but instead slow it & prevent spreading from zoox population to anemone tissue. It may need to fully bleach and reabsorb healthy zoox later. This happened to my green even though I was treating it.

Best of luck

 

[CarpetSurfer]

Sometimes antibiotics don’t directly treat the infection but instead slow it & prevent spreading from zoox population to anemone tissue. It may need to fully bleach and reabsorb healthy zoox later. This happened to my green even though I was treating it.

Best of luck

Yea I’ve had a few that I treated till they were bleached which I figured I’d rather have a bleached gig than a dead gig and at least at that point you can deduce your treatment is definitely affecting the anemone, however, this one is just purging a ton even after multiple days of treatment. It hasn’t deflated or purged any further today but also hasn’t reinflated fully. Mouth still closed. I’ll keep treating and getting antibiotics from my lfs. How long did you continue treatment for?

 

[CarpetSurfer]

Took this photo 15 min after administering 500mg of amoxicillin and 500mg of cipro. It hasn’t purged any further since this morning and the water was actually still incredibly clear throughout the day. I turned the lights on for a split second to take the photo but it does seem to have immediately perked up further.

 

[D-Nak]

What do you mean by purge? Typically sick nems will expel dead zoox, which is usually brown and sometimes in a pellet shape. If yours is clouding the water, it may not be purging waste but possibly stess spawning.

 

[Ocellaris123]

Is that a purplish foot?

 

[CarpetSurfer]

What do you mean by purge? Typically sick nems will expel dead zoox, which is usually brown and sometimes in a pellet shape. If yours is clouding the water, it may not be purging waste but possibly stess spawning.

So I was only ever able to actually see it in that short video I took and uploaded. You know i had thought about stress spawning but couldnt really find any videos or references comparing the 2. By purge i mean it would deflate and shoot out all the water inside (i presume i only captured it on video the last time) and the resulting water was super cloudy). This happened like 3 times. Unfortunately each time i acted so fast i didnt take a photo until this most previous time. Sometimes the cloudy water would happen again shortly after a water change and meds

 

[CarpetSurfer]

Is that a purplish foot?

Yep blue/ purple foot! Like super blue lol. TBH I can’t decide if this is a gig or haddoni. It has verucae but looks like a haddoni most times. However the only other anemone I’ve had with a blue foot like this has been a gig and I don’t have any haddoni with a blue foot. If anyone else has an opinion on gig or haddoni please express your view point

 

[Ocellaris123]

i had one similar to the appearance of yours but it didnt have a blueish foot. It had prominent gig verrucae but looked haddoni like otherwise. Vy do you have any closer pics of tentacles and verrucae? Also pics when it deflates?

 

[CarpetSurfer]

i had one similar to the appearance of yours but it didnt have a blueish foot. It had prominent gig verrucae but looked haddoni like otherwise. Vy do you have any closer pics of tentacles and verrucae? Also pics when it deflates?

This was one of if not its worst most deflation. This was January 18. I’ll grab more photos of the verucae and tentacles with my good camera today




This is this morning 01/26 mouth is very tight and water is crystal clear throughout the night. I just administered another dose of cipro and amoxicillin and I think I’m going to switch to a 12 hour dosage schedule for the next few days.

 

[CarpetSurfer]

i had one similar to the appearance of yours but it didnt have a blueish foot. It had prominent gig verrucae but looked haddoni like otherwise. Vy do you have any closer pics of tentacles and verrucae? Also pics when it deflates?

Will continue to get more pics but didn’t want to mess with it too much but here’s a pic of the underside

 

[D-Nak]

So I was only ever able to actually see it in that short video I took and uploaded. You know i had thought about stress spawning but couldnt really find any videos or references comparing the 2. By purge i mean it would deflate and shoot out all the water inside (i presume i only captured it on video the last time) and the resulting water was super cloudy). This happened like 3 times. Unfortunately each time i acted so fast i didnt take a photo until this most previous time. Sometimes the cloudy water would happen again shortly after a water change and meds

I don't see a video, just photos. Are you able to share a YouTube link? That said, just based on your description, it definitely sounds like a stress spawn. In all instances of expelling waste that I've seen, there was a brownish tinge to whatever came out of the anemone (which can either be poop or dead zoox).

 

[D-Nak]

The anemone looks like a haddoni. I've only seen the white "stress lines" on haddoni. They do have verrucae, they're just typically not visible. Them being so pronounced could be a sign of stress. As haddoni settle in, those "stress lines" typically fade away, and I'm guessing the same may happen to the verrucae.

 

[CarpetSurfer]

So I was only ever able to actually see it in that short video I took and uploaded. You know i had thought about stress spawning but couldnt really find any videos or references comparing the 2. By purge i mean it would deflate and shoot out all the water inside (i presume i only captured it on video the last time) and the resulting water was super cloudy). This happened like 3 times. Unfortunately each time i acted so fast i didnt take a photo until this most previous time. Sometimes the cloudy water would happen again shortly after a water change and meds

I don't see a video, just photos. Are you able to share a YouTube link? That said, just based on your description, it definitely sounds like a stress spawn. In all instances of expelling waste that I've seen, there was a brownish tinge to whatever came out of the anemone (which can either be poop or dead zoox).

Lmk if this doesn’t work.

So this was the most recent and final “purge” this one was way more subdued than previous ones. All previous 3 times purges resulted in super milky water that clouded the entire aquarium. I caught these large purges after a few hours but never witnessed them actually happening. This large nem has never expelled zoox (small black pellets) however has pooped quite a bit so zoox could be mixed in with the poop. The yellow has never deflated but has expelled small amounts small pellets of zoox

 

[billysprout]

I was going to recommend adding amox. I treat 5 days after the last deflate to be extra sure.

remember it may continue purging a few days after it’s successfully treated to remove the remaining sick zoox. make sure you remove the pellets during water change and check under the oral disk flaps for hidden ones

cloudy water could just be a cycle issue if there’s no cycled material in the tanks.

 

[CarpetSurfer]

I was going to recommend adding amox. I treat 5 days after the last deflate to be extra sure.

remember it may continue purging a few days after it’s successfully treated to remove the remaining sick zoox. make sure you remove the pellets during water change and check under the oral disk flaps for hidden ones

cloudy water could just be a cycle issue if there’s no cycled material in the tanks.

Yep I constantly walk past and remove everything and move the folds and flaps around to remove material and that nasty poop ring that develops around the foot. Yep tank is not cycled completely bare with a new fresh sponge in the power filter during every water change. I have a 30 gallon brute next to the tanks where I mix up so I have enough for multiple changes and can get consistent water parameters

 

[CarpetSurfer]

I was going to recommend adding amox. I treat 5 days after the last deflate to be extra sure.

remember it may continue purging a few days after it’s successfully treated to remove the remaining sick zoox. make sure you remove the pellets during water change and check under the oral disk flaps for hidden ones

cloudy water could just be a cycle issue if there’s no cycled material in the tanks.

What’s the highest dosage you have used before?

 

[billysprout]

250mg each per 5 gallons. depression does some crazy stuff lol. there’s really no need to exceed the therapeutic dosage. my thread is a bit outdated here but it has my methods and trials/failures