My 72 Bowfront Build Revised Thread

jsker · Mar 20, 2019

Today's phosphate number

I am dosing .005 ml per gallon mixed with 1000ml ro/di that should put me at .04 and that is my target.

jsker · Mar 31, 2019

Good Day all

The results are in for the semi scientific Lanthanum Chloride test using SeaKlean phosphate remover.

For some time if have been looking around for a formula for dosing Lanthanum Chloride, and I mean a solid formula. I decided to do some averaging from post here on R2R, other sites and videos. There is a great video on how to dose Lanthanum Chloride and I used it for my Dosing, but still on number and the person referred to another site and the information still was not findable.

Complaining the numbers. I went to several sites and R2R to find posts with recommendations on dosing SeaKlean amounts Some were very high and some where low. Dosing to much Lanthanum will make your fish labor with breathing and possibly kill the this and other creatures in your system. I started low for this test and I am happy I did. I also wanted to have a per gallon and not just “this is what I dosed my system and it worked” Here is what I came up with

.07 ml per 10 gallon of tank water volume diluted in 1 liter of RO/DI

.007 ml per 1 gallon of tank water volume diluted in 1 liter of RO/DI

Formula For weak dose

.005 x 50 gallons of tank water = .25 ml of SeaKlear (Phosphate remover/Lanthanum Chloride) for treatment of 50 gallons of water volume diluted in 1 liter of RO/DI

Formula For regular dose

.007 ml x 50 gallons of tank water = .35 ml of SeaKlear (Phosphate remover/Lanthanum Chloride) for treatment of 50 gallons of water volume diluted in 1 liter of RO/DI

Formula for strong dose

.01 ml x 50 gallons of tank water = .5 ml of SeaKlear (Phosphate remover/Lanthanum Chloride) for treatment of 50 gallons of water volume diluted in 1 liter of RO/DI

The .01 per gallon is a very aggressive dose and I would only suggest using this in larger system only since there is a larger amount of volume of water. When I came up with this number most of the system that were using a dose amount this high were 120 + gallon system

The .07 per gallon would cut the phosphates I am thinking by half. For example, if the phosphate reading is .1 dosing .07 per gallon would cut the phosphates in half or .05. This is theory not fact since I want to go slow with the first trail run

The .05 per gallon cut my phosphate by .04 per dose in my 80-gallon water volume system. I had no issues with the fish or corals. I changed filter socks one day after dosing. I used a feed bag and mixed the dose with 1000 ml RO/DI with a slow drip over 8 hours.

siggy · Mar 31, 2019

I can notice your water clarity, I finally received filter socks, but have been working 7/12 I have Tuesday off and will try it.

jsker · Mar 31, 2019

siggy said:
I can notice your water clarity, I finally received filter socks, but have been working 7/12 I have Tuesday off and will try it.

Lanthanum Chloride ??

I am running my tests now, I started running GFO (Phosphate Minus) again also.

siggy · Mar 31, 2019

I was out of socks so i bought 25 10 micron socks @2.65 I am going to plug a few up on tues. Im thinking 2-liter bottle and silicon tube. I still have a almost full bottle of A_G

Gareth elliott · Mar 31, 2019

By chance done a cost of the LC vs how much po4 removed?

After my doser dumped in enough phosphate to reach 6ppm po4 went through 500ml of phosgaurd and a pound of gfo(regular not high capacity), half a bucket of salt, finally back down to .05ppm-.06ppm

want to say cost me $25 in salt(Live Aquaria salt) $20 in phosguard and another $30 in GFO.

52 gallons volume of water, 1.5 months were spent just ridding rock and sand of bound po4.

jsker · Mar 31, 2019

siggy said:
I was out of socks so i bought 25 10 micron socks @2.65 I am going to plug a few up on tues. Im thinking 2-liter bottle and silicon tube. I still have a almost full bottle of A_G

I you are using the agent green, dose as per the directions. The Agent Green is a really watered down version, compared to the SeaKlean. If I remember correctly 1 ml per gallon for Agent Green. With the Agent Green one does not have to drip the product into the filter socks. Just dose in you return and let the filter socks and skimmer do the rest. Almost forgot to say, turn off the GFO if you are running GFO.

Agent Green does a good job, Phosphate RX is better, and the SeaKlean does as well as the Phosphate RX or better. The SeaKlean is a mix you own and has to be dripped into the filter socks

jsker · Mar 31, 2019

Gareth elliott said:
By chance done a cost of the LC vs how much po4 removed?

After my doser dumped in enough phosphate to reach 6ppm po4 went through 500ml of phosgaurd and a pound of gfo(regular not high capacity), half a bucket of salt, finally back down to .05ppm-.06ppm

want to say cost me $25 in salt(Live Aquaria salt) $20 in phosguard and another $30 in GFO.

52 gallons volume of water, 1.5 months were spent just ridding rock and sand of bound po4.

Now that you asked

The feed bag is reusable that I purchased on amazon link for $16

The SeaKlear was $35 for 32oz. The cost to dose the SeaKlear is .037 per milliliter

I used .04 mil x .037 = $ .00148 per dose, two filter socks at .27 cents(I make my own filter socks) or .54 cents.

.00148+.54= ..54148 cents per dose for myself.

Agent green is $37.31 for 16 oz or .07921 per milliliter and I was dosing 10 mil at a cost of .7921 cents plus filter socks at .54. for a cost of $1.33 per dose.

jsker · Mar 31, 2019

To days numbers

According to this thread What are your ideal reef tank parameter and @NY_Caveman nice spread sheet my phosphates need to come up and I need to bump up my alk, mag and Ca a tiny bit. I dose Aquaforest 1+2+3+ and am running all three dosed the same at 16ml dosed at 2 ml doses 8 times a day now. When I start adding corals again the consumption will go up

Gareth elliott · Mar 31, 2019

jsker said:
Now that you asked

The feed bag is reusable that I purchased on amazon link for $16

The SeaKlear was $35 for 32oz. The cost to dose the SeaKlear is .037 per milliliter

I used .04 mil x .037 = $ .00148 per dose, two filter socks at .27 cents(I make my own filter socks) or .54 cents.

.00148+.54= ..54148 cents per dose for myself.

Agent green is $37.31 for 16 oz or .07921 per milliliter and I was dosing 10 mil at a cost of .7921 cents plus filter socks at .54. for a cost of $1.33 per dose.

If ever have that problem again(hopefully not only my gorgorians survived coral wise [emoji23]) will come back to your dosing instructions.

jsker · Mar 31, 2019

Gareth elliott said:
If ever have that problem again(hopefully not only my gorgorians survived coral wise [emoji23]) will come back to your dosing instructions.

I will eventually do a write up, and thank you for the feed back.

jsker · Mar 31, 2019

New test caddie

I need to get rid of the clutter of testing kits boxes and parts

I also did not want to go plastic and wanted something nice.

Fudsey · Mar 31, 2019

Are you making these Caddy's to order????

NY_Caveman · Mar 31, 2019

I will take one! Love the caddie! And duh, that testing placemat is awesome. Funny the things one does not think of that are so simple.

Fudsey · Mar 31, 2019

NY_Caveman said:
I will take one! Love the caddie! And duh, that testing placemat is awesome. Funny the things one does not think of that are so simple.

I started using one of those silicone mats right after I watched @jsker's testing video a while back

NY_Caveman · Mar 31, 2019

He is such a trendsetter.

Gareth elliott · Mar 31, 2019

What is of course wrong is that is a coffee mug not a beer mug [emoji23]

Love the testing setup. I dont use a silicone mat but a chamois. But might change