EliMelly
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Someone I know in the business who says biota pays as lobbyists against this.
Not this again...
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Tourists from the Midwest, standing up on a 300 year old brain coral to fix their snorkel and mask in John Pennekamp State Park...... conservation? 
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Our conversation will end here, as this is not the place for politics and I am surely not going to change yorur mind -- but your worldview depends on an even playing field and people willing to play fair. That just doesn’t happen. Ever.
Government isn’t benevolent. It’s not your friend. It doesn’t care. It’s made up of the same mix of straight and crooked people as the businesses and consumers it regulates. The only difference is, government enforces its will at the end of a barrel when push comes to shove.
Licensing often ends up being less about safety or standards and more about gatekeeping—keeping out competition, raising barriers to entry, and protecting entrenched interests under the guise of regulation.
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Except that is actually the exception, not the rule when it comes to the way shepherds and farmers rotate fields when they co-op. The issue comes in when it is unfettered access not access at all, and we are bogged down with plenty of regulations already. If you want to import coral to the US you have to have your CITES permits, as well as for a good number of fish. This regulation is unneccesary and just one more brick in the road of "good" intentions. I am only saying that human nature is neither good nor bad. People will do what is in there interests, be it short or long-term. So I may be being optimistic when it comes down to it, but I think the industry is already on its way to self regulating.
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Or a fleet of bottom dredges ripping up football field–sized chunks of ocean floor by the minute, around the clock—killing almost everything in their path, then tossing it all overboard except for the one species they’re targeting.Tourists from the Midwest, standing up on a 300 year old brain coral to fix their snorkel and mask in John Pennekamp State Park...... conservation?
With a nice name even ....by catch
Rollnwthdatide
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Conspiracy theory or evidence?
Say that last sentence out loud. It will sound funny.
Sorry, this is absolutely not true. The article is 5 years old but...
The Destructive Truth Behind Aquariums | Earth.Org
The process of harvesting marine organisms for saltwater aquariums is severely deteriorating sensitive coral reef systems.
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Sorry, this is absolutely not true. The article is 5 years old but...
The Destructive Truth Behind Aquariums | Earth.Org
The process of harvesting marine organisms for saltwater aquariums is severely deteriorating sensitive coral reef systems.
“Some countries, like Hawaii,…..”
That article is as trustworthy as gas station food
Danjoethepirate
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Sorry, this is absolutely not true. The art...
The guy who runs it is an
"Environmental advocate". I think we can guess which editorial direction most of the articles will take.
The guy who runs it is an
"Environmental advocate". I think we can guess which editorial direction most of the articles will take.
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Don't ever discount the truth some else is beliving in.
New Report Reveals Horrific Suffering of Fish in Captivity, Calls for a Ban on Touch Tanks and an End to the Capture of Fish from the Wild | Earth.Org
Wildlife conservation and animal advocacy nonprofit Born Free USA has released a major new report, Oceans Away from Home: The Suffering of Fish in Captivity, and accompanying aquarium investigation revealing the true extent of fish suffering in captive conditions.
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Then take a look at the Aquarium in the first image in the article.
English is probably one of the many languages this kid speaks.“Some countries, like Hawaii,…..”
That article is as trustworthy as gas station food
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Juno Beach“Some countries, like Hawaii,…..”
That article is as trustworthy as gas station food
8.1 Portnoy rating.
While i think our resident academic's take is correct less than a broken clock - I have to say that your assertion may have some flaws :grimacing-face:
Is this better?
Can the global marine aquarium trade (MAT) be a model for sustainable coral reef fisheries?
The industry has to pivot. The writing is one the wall.
Can the global marine aquarium trade (MAT) be a model for sustainable coral reef fisheries?
The industry has to pivot. The writing is one the wall.
Danjoethepirate
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Don't ever discount the truth some else is beliving in.
New Report Reveals Horrific Suffering of Fish in Captivity, Calls for a Ban on Touch Tanks and an End to the Capture of Fish from the Wild | Earth.Org
Wildlife conservation and animal advocacy nonprofit Born Free USA has released a major new report, Oceans Away from Home: The Suffering of Fish in Captivity, and accompanying aquarium investigation revealing the true extent of fish suffering in captive conditions.
Then take a look at the Aquarium in the first image in the article.
Fantastic.... I will immediately free my fish and apologize to the tangs that are eating from my hand. They must be so stressed.......
Really, the only reason why you have had fed Tangs is because there are somewhat healthy populations on reefs around the world, that are performing the same very important job on the reef as in your aquarium, protecting coral from being overrun with algae. Healthy populations in the future.....a gloomy outlook. Just Sayn
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