Nutrient Saturated Systems

[Paul B]

:D

This image was taken back in 2015?

I can show you images taken from 1971 to today. Which would you like to see?

 

[reeferfoxx]

:D

I can show you images taken from 1971 to today. Which would you like to see?

I would like to see you, today, in front of the tank with more V-neck! :D:D;)

 

[Paul B]

I don't have a neck any more. :eek:

This picture is newer. I don't know what else you looking for? I don't have any manta rays in there any longer or V neck Tee shirts or watch bands

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

I was wondering that too. And with the presence of algae in the scrubber, how would get an accurate test result of your nutrients?

Same principal as a refugium. And a test still shows the sampling of nutrients in the water colum and is accurate as that is what is in the water.
There not actually locked up as most say. In that thinking they are locked up in coral as they uptake the same nutrients
If I get off my but and don't experiment and scrub the strange out of my dt the "ugly stuff" doesn't come back as it prefers the fuge or scrubber or rather they are competing for the exess nutrients in a more Alge friendly environment. They have to work too hard in the Dt.

Pretty much why there's no bryo in the dt now. I used a tooth brush. In my 30 not so much. As I have no Fuge.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Maybe I missed something because I was distracted by supermodels....

The mrs is home?

 

[Paul B]

Oh I see. You are a girl :eek:
Here I got a 6 pack and a monkey crawling into my pocket. I still look "exactly" like this but I doubt the monkey does. :rolleyes:

 

[reeferfoxx]

I don't have a neck any more. :eek:

This picture is newer. I don't know what else you looking for? I don't have any manta rays in there any longer or V neck Tee shirts or watch bands

You're fine. Im just teasing. Im pretty envious over this picture. :)

 

[reeferfoxx]

Oh I see. You are a girl :eek:
Here I got a 6 pack and a monkey crawling into my pocket. I still look "exactly" like this but I doubt the monkey does. :rolleyes:

*whistling* which monkey? :oops::p *cough* kidding

 

[Paul B]

You're fine. Im just teasing. Im pretty envious over this picture. :)

It's all photoshoped. This is really my tank.

 

[Paul B]

Forget test kits for a minute. No matter what your test kit reads, no matter how high or how low your nutrient level is, algae could still grow or not grow. Why? I have no idea. I am sure Randy does, but I certainly don't, except what I already proposed and if eliminating nutrients were all it was. That is simple, dump out your tank and start a new one with new water and rocks and see what happens. ;)

It's like quarantining, if that would keep your fish safe, then why are there hundreds of posts saying OMG, I quarantined for 3 years and 2 months and all my fish have ich. You know I am right. Yeah you do.
This stuff is so easy but we feel the need to make it difficult. You can't go to school for this or you will be so confused you will not know what to think because a living tank is too complicated and we can't test for bacteria, viruses, types of algae, light, temperature, phases of the moon (no, really) and micronutrients that we acquire through rocks, LFSs, corals and excretions of fish. There are to many variables and if it were easy, there would be no problems.

 

[Paul B]

I have got to remember to buy your book tonight and download it. I know you have it geared towards advanced aquarists but my understanding is that it includes plenty of warnings for us noobs.

I always try to warn Noobs but the book is not geared to advanced anything. I hear Supermodels read it but I can't be sure. (I bet Randy doesn't read it? :D)

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Supermodels

Hey Thank you all for a great conversation today. All of you... All of you.

It really kept me company today while I detailed(cleaned:rolleyes:) my tank. The 55.

Really felt good to stretch my head, so to speak, while I scrubbed.

@Paul B Thanks man. I really really appreciated the laughs today. While i cleaned the tank.

I had planned on cleaning the tank today. Oddly enough. And today was also my birthday.

Thanks again,

Jason

 

[john.m.cole3]

Happy birthday man! We appreciate you here.

 

[mcarroll]

And today was also my birthday.

To quote the great F. T. Snowman, "Happy Birthday!" :)

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

YOU GUYS! Of course your still awake!

Thanks. Finishing this and going to bed.

Happy Reefing!:)

 

[Anirban]

Happy birthday man...:)

 

[locito277]

I just want more monkey pics lol

 

[Paul B]

Happy birthday. Yesterday was my 43rd wedding anniversary so I took my wife out to one of the best Italian Restaurants in New York where we are friends with the owner. He also hires a lot of Supermodels to walk around so it is great all around.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

True! Those things once lowered to an effective range can limit corals as well, can't they?

And it does depend which "algae" we're talking about. Anything that has any ability to fix N2 or associate with an N2-fixer will be a tough cookie if only confronted this way.

They can in some cases, and in those cases, nutrient limitation is not the best bet. Bryopsis and valonia (bubble algae) are among those.

Hair algae, however, seems able to be limited by nutrients when corals are fine.

 

[mcarroll]

Just found out that some "algae" can turn into bacterivores under low phosphate (nutrient starvation) conditions.

Low P conditions also seem to cause them to become more toxic.

These are single-celled "algae" – obligate primary producers was the focus.

"Bacterivory in algae: A survival strategy during nutrient limitation"
http://aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_38/issue_2/
Download

Here's the Abstract just to get you warmed up, if you weren't already:

Bacterivory in obligate phototrophic algal flagellates may be an important strategy for acquiring nutrients during periods of inorganic nutrient limitation. Several marine algal flagellates were shown to increase bactivory when phosphate was limited. Grazing on bacteria by algal flagellates was found during blooms of Prymnesium parvum in Sandsljorden, western Norway, in 1989 and Chrysochromulina polylepis on the south and west coast of Norway in 1988. Dissolved phosphate was not detectable in these situations. Algal flagellates may graze bacteria to obtain phosphate, which may permit these algal flagellates to develop blooms when phosphate becomes limited. ​