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Ok, please bare with me as this may take a bit to explain.

I was having a problem with hair algae, and couldn't get rid of it. My NO3 and PO4 were low, but not terribly low, so I decided to try Vibrant Aquarium cleaner from @UWC. This is what my tank looked like before I started dosing the Vibrant.

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The hair algae is on the rock by the Laptestrea. I started dosing twice a week using 5ml.

My tank is a reefer 170, so total water volume is about 45 gallons. I estimate that I have about 40 gallons of water after displacement from rock and my protein skimmer.

My parameters stay pretty constant at the following levels.

Temp 77-78
Sg 1.025 with an ATC refractometer
NO3 1 ppm Red Sea test kit
PO4 0.03- 0.05 with a Hanna ULR
Alk 7.7 - 7.8 dKh Red Sea Pro
Calc 440 - 450 Red Sea Pro
Mag 1300 Red Sea Pro

I started dosing Vibrant on December 6th. I didn't notice any ill effects on any of my corals, and the hair algae started to disappear.

I received an Aquatic Life hybrid fixture for christmas and mounted the fixture using their poles attached to the stand on December 26th. I had to unplug everything in my tank for about an hour so that I could work behind the stand to mount the poles to the stand. I was very careful to make sure nothing got in the sump, and have checked the sump several times since. On December 27th, I started running the hybrid fixture with 4 T5 bulbs for 3 hours in the middle of the day along with my LED. The light was mounted 11 inches above the water line, one inch higher than what my LED was mounted at before. On December 27th, I also noticed that my heater wasn't fully plugged back in when the temp alarm on my doser went off. I noticed this in the morning immediately after waking up. The temp had gone down from 78 degrees to 74 degrees in about 14 hours. I plugged the heater back in and brought the temp back up over the next 5 hours. Most of my corals looked ticked.

This is what my tank looks like today.

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And here are what some of my corals look like 10 days from installing the light and accidentally letting the temp fall.

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On December 29th, I decrease the time that the T5's were on to 1.5 hours a day on the advice of a couple of posters here. The bulbs that I am using from front to back are ATI Blue+ Coral+ Actinic Blue+. Other than my Alk rising to 8.1 dKh, my parameters have stayed the same as I posted above. I did adjust my Alk dosing since Alk did go up, and after 4 days since my last test, Alk test at 8.0 dKh today.

As you can see, algae seems to have gotten out of control except for the hair algae, which is still present, but receding slowly.

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What can I do? Most corals still seem upset 10 days later and my frogspawn and hammer haven't opened in that amount of time either. Nothing seems dead, but nothing seems happy either. I have done 2 water changes, one 10% and the most recent 30%. I also vacuumed out the sump during the 30% change. I have been trying to siphon out as much algae as I can every day hoping to make the corals happier since all of my parameters look fine to me. I also checked for stray voltage and with my grounding probe in, had 0V.

What am I missing? What can I do? Any guidance would be appreciated.
 

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Have you stopped the vibrant?

What led and what % and time is it on. Full period and also the ramp.

That’s a darned fine collection there.

IMO , it’s the two things at once. Light and vibrant. It’ll settle in.
 

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I’m not sure about vibrant; but I had a cyano bloom after adding my hybrid too. It’s going away on its own. Almost all gone after about a month. My corals have a love/hate relationship with the hybrid.
 

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Ok, please bare with me as this may take a bit to explain.

I was having a problem with hair algae, and couldn't get rid of it. My NO3 and PO4 were low, but not terribly low, so I decided to try Vibrant Aquarium cleaner from @UWC. This is what my tank looked like before I started dosing the Vibrant.

IMG_1753.JPG


The hair algae is on the rock by the Laptestrea. I started dosing twice a week using 5ml.

My tank is a reefer 170, so total water volume is about 45 gallons. I estimate that I have about 40 gallons of water after displacement from rock and my protein skimmer.

My parameters stay pretty constant at the following levels.

Temp 77-78
Sg 1.025 with an ATC refractometer
NO3 1 ppm Red Sea test kit
PO4 0.03- 0.05 with a Hanna ULR
Alk 7.7 - 7.8 dKh Red Sea Pro
Calc 440 - 450 Red Sea Pro
Mag 1300 Red Sea Pro

I started dosing Vibrant on December 6th. I didn't notice any ill effects on any of my corals, and the hair algae started to disappear.

I received an Aquatic Life hybrid fixture for christmas and mounted the fixture using their poles attached to the stand on December 26th. I had to unplug everything in my tank for about an hour so that I could work behind the stand to mount the poles to the stand. I was very careful to make sure nothing got in the sump, and have checked the sump several times since. On December 27th, I started running the hybrid fixture with 4 T5 bulbs for 3 hours in the middle of the day along with my LED. The light was mounted 11 inches above the water line, one inch higher than what my LED was mounted at before. On December 27th, I also noticed that my heater wasn't fully plugged back in when the temp alarm on my doser went off. I noticed this in the morning immediately after waking up. The temp had gone down from 78 degrees to 74 degrees in about 14 hours. I plugged the heater back in and brought the temp back up over the next 5 hours. Most of my corals looked ticked.

This is what my tank looks like today.

IMG_1768.JPG


And here are what some of my corals look like 10 days from installing the light and accidentally letting the temp fall.

IMG_1769.JPG


IMG_1770.JPG


IMG_1772.JPG


On December 29th, I decrease the time that the T5's were on to 1.5 hours a day on the advice of a couple of posters here. The bulbs that I am using from front to back are ATI Blue+ Coral+ Actinic Blue+. Other than my Alk rising to 8.1 dKh, my parameters have stayed the same as I posted above. I did adjust my Alk dosing since Alk did go up, and after 4 days since my last test, Alk test at 8.0 dKh today.

As you can see, algae seems to have gotten out of control except for the hair algae, which is still present, but receding slowly.

#reefsquad
@Brew12 @rkpetersen @Daniel Waters @saltyfilmfolks
#anyonethatcanhelp

What can I do? Most corals still seem upset 10 days later and my frogspawn and hammer haven't opened in that amount of time either. Nothing seems dead, but nothing seems happy either. I have done 2 water changes, one 10% and the most recent 30%. I also vacuumed out the sump during the 30% change. I have been trying to siphon out as much algae as I can every day hoping to make the corals happier since all of my parameters look fine to me. I also checked for stray voltage and with my grounding probe in, had 0V.

What am I missing? What can I do? Any guidance would be appreciated.
Dosing Vibrant at 2 times per week for GHA is very aggressive. Have you stopped dosing it?
 

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I've had similar experience...dosed vibrant for bubble algea ...got rid of that and ended up with cyno .. did a treatment of the new mysicodol for cyno tank almost crashed...upgraded lights too kessils ..end up with dinos .....too much all at once
 

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Have you calibrated your refractor with ether to 0 with RODI water or calibration solution? Mine was off by .2
 

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I’m not sure about vibrant; but I had a cyano bloom after adding my hybrid too. It’s going away on its own. Almost all gone after about a month. My corals have a love/hate relationship with the hybrid.
Most folks don’t realize it , but at 12in your adding about 500+ par to the top of the tank. Plus new spectrums.
Gotta ease em into it
 

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Most folks don’t realize it , but at 12in your adding about 500+ par to the top of the tank. Plus new spectrums.
Gotta ease em into it
Very true. If I could go back in time I would slowly add it instead of 6 hours at peak right out of the gate lol
 

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Have you stopped the vibrant?

What led and what % and time is it on. Full period and also the ramp.

That’s a darned fine collection there.

IMO , it’s the two things at once. Light and vibrant. It’ll settle in.

I agree on the two things. When green hair algae dies, it releases what it has absorbed back into the water collum. DOC's, N03 and P04. Testing your water pramameters for awhile is advisable. Running GAC will help with the DOC's.

@saltyfilmfolks can give you the best advice on your lighting and intensity going forward.
 
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I was suppose to dose the Vibrant today if I followed my schedule, but didn't want to dose it until I got some feedback. Do you think I should stop for a while?

My LED is on for 10 hours a day with a 30 minute ramp up and a 30 minute ramp down. I have the red, green, and white spectrum running for 8 hours a day with the same ramp time. I am running the T5's for 1.5 hour of the 10 hours, so 15% of the total light period. I didn't adjust my LED intensity, I just added the T5's.

I am also running GAC in a bag in my sump.

Thanks for the compliment on the collection @saltyfilmfolks, and thank you everyone for the quick replies.

Should I stop the Vibrant? Should I leave everything else alone? I am worried mostly about the frogspawn and hammer since they have been retracted for 10 days now. I only see a little extension every once in a while. My Zoa's also seem mad.

Thanks again for any advice. :)
 

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Very true. If I could go back in time I would slowly add it instead of 6 hours at peak right out of the gate lol
I dunno , it can be fun. I blasted all my corraline right of the rock , but my sps went from frag to filling my hand in 30’days ! Lol
 
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I think we can all agree. Stop the vibrant. It’s got an organic carbon plus the algae die off makes cyano.

What led is it ?

Sorry for the delay. I will stop the vibrant.

I have a Hydra 26HD running a spectrum similar to the AB+.

Here is my spectrum that runs for 7 hours of the day.

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Sorry for the delay. I will stop the vibrant.

I have a Hydra 26HD running a spectrum similar to the AB+.

Here is my spectrum that runs for 7 hours of the day.

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No worries.

A single hydra?

Myself , I’d just wait til the vibrant runs out of the system. Slowly increases the time on the led.
Leave the Led alone.
If the hair algae is or gets bad , in a month or so fluconazole or just get a bunch more snails now.
The cyano should go away
 

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@IslandLifeReef

I will echo what others have said. I would stop dosing the vibrant. I would cut the T5 duration back (which I believe you have already done). As I mentioned in previous posts, your softies and lps probably didn't even need the extra light from the T5s. They can certainly adjust to the higher lighting but this may take time. This is part of the issue with mixed reef tanks where you have sps corals that might want 300 par and a frogspawn 6" away that might prefer 100 par.

You look like you had some green hair algae but doesn't look like it was taking the tank over. I would manually remove as much hair algae as possible and add in appropriate clean up crew critters to keep it in check. I've had a few spots develop GHA that were tough to combat and I've often pulled those rocks out and used a little bit of peroxide / spot treatment (but I realize you may have rocks you can't pull out). You can also use a toothbrush to scrub rocks within the tank. The other "algae" issue looks to be cyano.
 
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I'd do wa large water change as well ..I did a 50 % WC and that has really helped my tank

I just did a 30% water change two days ago. A total of 40% over the last 7 days. I have been removing algae daily with a baster as well as blowing off my rock work.

No worries.

A single hydra?

Myself , I’d just wait til the vibrant runs out of the system. Slowly increases the time on the led.
Leave the Led alone.
If the hair algae is or gets bad , in a month or so fluconazole or just get a bunch more snails now.
The cyano should go away

Yes, a single Hydra. I will leave the LED alone and slowly increase the T5's. Do you think that the LPS will recover? Anything I can do for the frogspawn or hammer to get them to inflate, or should I give them more time? I would have thought 10 days would be enough time for them to stop being mad.

@IslandLifeReef

I will echo what others have said. I would stop dosing the vibrant. I would cut the T5 duration back (which I believe you have already done). As I mentioned in previous posts, your softies and lps probably didn't even need the extra light from the T5s. They can certainly adjust to the higher lighting but this may take time. This is part of the issue with mixed reef tanks where you have sps corals that might want 300 par and a frogspawn 6" away that might prefer 100 par.

You look like you had some green hair algae but doesn't look like it was taking the tank over. I would manually remove as much hair algae as possible and add in appropriate clean up crew critters to keep it in check. I've had a few spots develop GHA that were tough to combat and I've often pulled those rocks out and used a little bit of peroxide / spot treatment (but I realize you may have rocks you can't pull out). You can also use a toothbrush to scrub rocks within the tank. The other "algae" issue looks to be cyano.


Thanks. After your recommendation, I did cut the T5 down by half. The GHA was getting worse, and I had read and heard good things about Vibrant, so I thought I would give it a shot. I don't think it is the Vibrant alone, since I was using it for 3 weeks before any problems occurred. I do think that the lighting and Vibrant along with the temp drop all added to the problem.

I am not worried about cyano or the algae by itself. It is more in combination with most of my corals looking unhappy for 10 days and the fact that my frogspawn and hammer refuse to open more than about 5-10 %.
 

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I think it’ll settle in.

I’d not worry at all about running a normal t5 schedule in the tank.

I had my frogspawn in 200 and then 300+.
 
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I think it’ll settle in.

I’d not worry at all about running a normal t5 schedule in the tank.

I had my frogspawn in 200 and then 300+.

I'm a bit confused.

Are you saying to run the T5's for the full 10 hour period and slowly add in the LED?

I have been running the LED for almost 2 years. The T5's are new so I was under the impression that I wanted to slowly ramp up the T5's.
 

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I'm a bit confused.

Are you saying to run the T5's for the full 10 hour period and slowly add in the LED?

I have been running the LED for almost 2 years. The T5's are new so I was under the impression that I wanted to slowly ramp up the T5's.
Sorry , I was not clear there.
Lol. Hybreds.
IMO, you could add the t5 amd easily run them as long as the rest of your peak time , And yes , ease into it.

Just watch the coral
 

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