Question About Privacy At R2R

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To be devils advocate here, you realize this could be automated, with no direct input? Simply a setting to only include emails identified when typed into the website would make this so you never even knew about it.

Take the below:

Company a says - we will help increase your marketing base by 30% and manage your email campaigns to hit the broadest audience.

Company b - dang that sounds great, and online research shows company a seems to comply with legal laws etc etc. sure let’s do it.

Company a - activates its marketing tool and here we are 14 pages later.
Kind of my point earlier in the thread. But... the healthy dialogue in the thread is good to have. As we go further into the future...I'm afraid we will talk about the "good old days" when all you got was an unsolicited email. Technology can be great and can also quite possibly be the end of us. All of it will be a new road we all walk so it's beneficial to discuss IMO.
 
Kind of my point earlier in the thread. But... the healthy dialogue in the thread is good to have. As we go further into the future...I'm afraid we will talk about the "good old days" when all you got was an unsolicited email. Technology can be great and can also quite possibly be the end of us. All of it will be a new road we all walk so it's beneficial to discuss IMO.
I mean, what's next lol?? You visit the site, a coral then shows up at your house, and your card is conveniently charged? I really hope it doesn't get much worse than unsolicited emails lol!
 
OK, but what about that makes it right? Most here in this thread agree that what they are doing is at the least unethical.

And I'm just talking and typing here lol! If the thread is getting too long it's only because it keeps getting replies, including yours :)
See where we disagree is you think Sbb is unethical, where I think the company driving the software is at fault. I don’t like marketing data tools in general, but they are a key to a large part of our economy. I think there needs to be way more control around how any company can use/gather data, even if I have low hopes of that happening.

I don't fault vendors for using the legal tools out there for what they are made. Doesn’t mean I don't hate the tools, and I also think this one goes to far.

Oh I’m all about a good rabbit hole thread
That can drive some good dialogue on stuff. Other vendors may watch this and adjust their own methods accordingly to be less invasive for the rest of us. I mean if I was thinking of using a data gatherer like this I’d put a quick stop to going that far.

Unfortunately for us all this software will become more and more standard I think.
 
I mean, what's next lol?? You visit the site, a coral then shows up at your house, and your card is conveniently charged? I really hope it doesn't get much worse than unsolicited emails lol!
I mean depends on if it’s a jf jolt for $50 or gsp for $400
 
I disagree with that. I have always been told a company cannot (legally) add an email to their marketing without permission, whether or not an opt-out is available (which it has to be). And from what I can see when I look now, that appears to be true. And certainly at the least, it's unethical, but no, I don't see how or why R2R gets involved here.
What you have been told is incorrect, and applies to phones and not emails

What is it (not to be combative, but so I understand ) that you’ve read make this appear to be true ?
 
See where we disagree is you think Sbb is unethical, where I think the company driving the software is at fault. I don’t like marketing data tools in general, but they are a key to a large part of our economy. I think there needs to be way more control around how any company can use/gather data, even if I have low hopes of that happening.

I don't fault vendors for using the legal tools out there for what they are made. Doesn’t mean I don't hate the tools, and I also think this one goes to far.

Oh I’m all about a good rabbit hole thread
That can drive some good dialogue on stuff. Other vendors may watch this and adjust their own methods accordingly to be less invasive for the rest of us. I mean if I was thinking of using a data gatherer like this I’d put a quick stop to going that far.

Unfortunately for us all this software will become more and more standard I think.
I agree. If it matters at all.
 
What you have been told is incorrect, and applies to phones and not emails

What is it (not to be combative, but so I understand ) that you’ve read make this appear to be true ?
No confrontation here, you know I always appreciate your help, and I'm just talking here :)

That CAN-SPAM act talks about sending unsolicited emails to "members", which there has to be a way to opt out of. It doesn't say that a business can just mine an email and put you on a corporate marketing list. Not to be crass, but the law was in no small part based on the way back when people used to get totally unsolicited "adult-themed" emails, and people were understandably offended. But the law, I believe, applies to all business email marketing. I do not claim to be a lawyer, so maybe I'm wrong, but I stand by that it's unethical at the least.

See where we disagree is you think Sbb is unethical, where I think the company driving the software is at fault.
Oh, I'm mad at Opensend too lol! But I'm just as upset at the business who decides to use it. And I know, someone will reply that "everyone" does it, which, for one, is not an excuse. But it's also simply not true, as this is the first and only time this has ever happened to me. No other site have I ever just visited once for a couple of minutes, and then was "automagically" signed up to their email list. If this was a widespread thing, my inbox would be packed full of garbage I don't want, but it's not (yet).
 
No confrontation here, you know I always appreciate your help, and I'm just talking here :)

That CAN-SPAM act talks about sending unsolicited emails to "members", which there has to be a way to opt out of. It doesn't say that a business can just mine an email and put you on a corporate marketing list. Not to be crass, but the law was in no small part based on the way back when people used to get totally unsolicited "adult-themed" emails, and people were understandably offended. But the law, I believe, applies to all business email marketing. I do not claim to be a lawyer, so maybe I'm wrong, but I stand by that it's unethical at the least.


Oh, I'm mad at Opensend too lol! But I'm just as upset at the business who decides to use it. And I know, someone will reply that "everyone" does it, which, for one, is not an excuse. But it's also simply not true, as this is the first and only time this has ever happened to me. No other site have I ever just visited once for a couple of minutes, and then was "automagically" signed up to their email list. If this was a widespread thing, my inbox would be packed full of garbage I don't want, but it's not (yet).
Is your point that you were not a “member”?

Or did the email you received not have an opt out ?
 
I mean, what's next lol?? You visit the site, a coral then shows up at your house, and your card is conveniently charged? I really hope it doesn't get much worse than unsolicited emails lol!
Too late. Amazon had these “convenient” push button ordering devices ten years ago. I had a coworker who’s cat pressed the buttons and he wondered why all these orders for laundry detergent kept showing up.

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Is your point that you were not a “member”?

Or did the email you received not have an opt out ?
That I'm not a member. Their email had an opt-out, and to their credit they seem to have honored my request. Their email did not list a physical address, which they really should have in their marketing.
 
Too late. Amazon had these “convenient” push button ordering devices ten years ago. I had a coworker who’s cat pressed the buttons and he wondered why all these orders for laundry detergent kept showing up.

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I remember those! We have 4 cats, I'd be broke lol!
 
That I'm not a member. Their email had an opt-out, and to their credit they seem to have honored my request. Their email did not list a physical address, which they really should have in their marketing.
Im sorry, but at this point, I feel like you're overreacting at this point, ik its bad, but u have to understand that this happens with SOOOO many companies, idc if this is your first time getting an email, but instead of stealing info and texting u, or selling it to scammers, sbb/opensend didnt do that, they just sent u one harmless email, it doesnt hurt u inANY way
and sbb's address is his house/appartment(I think?), so that a security risk
 
That I'm not a member.
Getting out of my wheelhouse. I don’t see any clear definition here of what a member is
Their email had an opt-out, and to their credit they seem to have honored my request.
As they should

Their email did not list a physical address, which they really should have in their marketing.
It’s the owners home so I understand not emailing that out. Many companies are actually home businesses. But they should create a P.O. Box in situations like this. Agree with you 100%
 
Im sorry, but at this point, I feel like you're overreacting at this point, ik its bad, but u have to understand that this happens with SOOOO many companies, idc if this is your first time getting an email, but instead of stealing info and texting u, or selling it to scammers, sbb/opensend didnt do that, they just sent u one harmless email, it doesnt hurt u inANY way
and sbb's address is his house/appartment(I think?), so that a security risk
I get your point, I do. I was beyond fired up when I first heard about the Opensend thing, but I've relaxed :-)

I'm still not happy about it, I'm still going to steer wide of SBB for the foreseeable future.

Again, I'm just talking here. If the thread is getting too long or boring for anyone, feel free to take a look at another thread. But this keeps getting replies, and I just keep replying back :winking-face:
 
It’s the owners home so I understand not emailing that out. Many companies are actually home businesses. But they should create a P.O. Box in situations like this. Agree with you 100%
I've had a home based business in the past, but yes, that's what a PO box is for :winking-face:
 
I get your point, I do. I was beyond fired up when I first heard about the Opensend thing, but I've relaxed :)

I'm still not happy about it, I'm still going to steer wide of SBB for the foreseeable future.

Again, I'm just talking here. If the thread is getting too long or boring for anyone, feel free to take a look at another thread. But this keeps getting replies, and I just keep replying back :winking-face:
I want u to search up, is open send safe for consumers, and read the reviews and stuff about consumer data and privacy
 

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