Ready to quit!!

[Cflip]

After already losing fish not having a QT I decided to do it right. Put my only two fish in QT. Completed 10 days with Prazi did a 40% water change. Was worried about the flame hawk he wasn't eating and hiding. He was much better after the water change. I gave them a day then was going to start copper today. Found my lineatus wrasse dead this AM !! He was great eating like a champ yesterday. I didn't heat the water with the water change temp dropped a couple of degrees but within a half hour it was up again. Could this have done it? Can't see or think of any other reason. I've had him about 3 weeks now.

 

[jsker]

Pictures would really help you so the we can help you. Then we can determine what the fish have and treat according:)

 

[Cflip]

Black spots in tail were just dirt. Wiped right off.

 

[Cflip]

Did the fresh water dip followed by 5 days in prazi water change another 6 days water change then was going to start copper today. Now I don't know what do with my flame hawk. My DT is in fallow.

 

[Kershaw]

Well the fish could have been past the point of being helped but just didn't show it.
Was your water air ratted very well. Prazipro can deplete oxygen.
I run a skimmer without cup on when I run prazipro. Have you checked ammonia in your qt
What are you using for bio filter. Can you post pic of qt

 

[jsker]

I am call in the #reefsquad for help.

 

[Brew12]

These situation are always frustrating. Odds are a temperature drop of a few degrees didn't kill the fish. The stress it induced could have opened the fish up to be adversely affected by something else. Especially since you had not completed your full QT treatment.

Right now there is a strain of what appears to be Velvet working its way around that kills very quickly with almost no symptoms. This strain wasn't common when I did my last QT around 4 months ago but it is making me rethink how I will do my next QT. I used to do what you are doing. Treat with Prazi, then copper. I did copper for 14-18 days then straight into my DT if they looked good.

Now, I'm worried that the 10-14 days of Prazi might allow it to overcome the fish before I start the copper. My next fish will probably get a FW dip the day after I get them. If no flukes show, and no stringy white poo, I'll start copper on day 2. Then I will run 30 days of copper followed by the Prazi treatment.

I know TTM is popular, and Prazi first is a great idea, but unless something with this new quick and symptomless killer changes I am going to change my approach.

 

[Cflip]

Well the fish could have been past the point of being helped but just didn't show it.
Was your water air ratted very well. Prazipro can deplete oxygen.
I run a skimmer without cup on when I run prazipro. Have you checked ammonia in your qt
What are you using for bio filter. Can you post pic of qt

I was running a hob filter rated 50 gallons on my 10 gallon tank. Ammonia was good. Have the badge and did a water change yesterday.

 

[Brew12]

I was running a hob filter rated 50 gallons on my 10 gallon tank. Ammonia was good. Have the badge and did a water change yesterday.

That is what I run and haven't had an aeration problem using Prazi. No smoking gun there.

 

[Cflip]

These situation are always frustrating. Odds are a temperature drop of a few degrees didn't kill the fish. The stress it induced could have opened the fish up to be adversely affected by something else. Especially since you had not completed your full QT treatment.

Right now there is a strain of what appears to be Velvet working its way around that kills very quickly with almost no symptoms. This strain wasn't common when I did my last QT around 4 months ago but it is making me rethink how I will do my next QT. I used to do what you are doing. Treat with Prazi, then copper. I did copper for 14-18 days then straight into my DT if they looked good.

Now, I'm worried that the 10-14 days of Prazi might allow it to overcome the fish before I start the copper. My next fish will probably get a FW dip the day after I get them. If no flukes show, and no stringy white poo, I'll start copper on day 2. Then I will run 30 days of copper followed by the Prazi treatment.

I know TTM is popular, and Prazi first is a great idea, but unless something with this new quick and symptomless killer changes I am going to change my approach.

Good idea if I ever buy another fish!! Tired of spending lots money with the end result a dead fish. Very frustrated with this whole hobby right now. It's suppose to be fun.

 

[Brew12]

Good idea if I ever buy another fish!! Tired of spending lots money with the end result a dead fish. Very frustrated with this whole hobby right now. It's suppose to be fun.

I understand completely. Dead fish means replacing fish, more work, and more money. Not to mention that I feel bad when fish I am caring for pass.

I will share my experience. Fortunately for me, I found these fish disease forums before I purchased my first tank. I studied them in depth prior to even buying my system. Once I understood the life cycle of the common fish diseases I came up with a plan that wasn't completely "by the book" but it was close.
Doing QT properly from the very beginning was a huge advantage. I added my CuC around 45 days prior to introducing my first fish. Every fish I purchased went through copper and prazi. I did lose some fish in QT, some for unknown reasons and some from my mistakes. The reward for that work is that I have purchased 13 fish that made it into my DT. These include a Hippo and Yellow Tang which are known to be very disease susceptible. Of the original 13 I have only lost my royal gramma. I think I may have killed or trapped it while moving rocks around. :( That said, I am now very protective of everything that goes into my tank. I don't worry about losing fish and that has made the hobby fun.

Stick with it. QT everything. Be protective of what makes it into your tank. Not everything will make it since wholesalers and many retailers are becoming experts at passing sick fish through before they show symptoms. At least you will know that once they are in your DT, the stress is over.

Now if only I were better with coral.... :confused:

 

[jsker]

These situation are always frustrating. Odds are a temperature drop of a few degrees didn't kill the fish. The stress it induced could have opened the fish up to be adversely affected by something else. Especially since you had not completed your full QT treatment.

Right now there is a strain of what appears to be Velvet working its way around that kills very quickly with almost no symptoms. This strain wasn't common when I did my last QT around 4 months ago but it is making me rethink how I will do my next QT. I used to do what you are doing. Treat with Prazi, then copper. I did copper for 14-18 days then straight into my DT if they looked good.

Now, I'm worried that the 10-14 days of Prazi might allow it to overcome the fish before I start the copper. My next fish will probably get a FW dip the day after I get them. If no flukes show, and no stringy white poo, I'll start copper on day 2. Then I will run 30 days of copper followed by the Prazi treatment.

I know TTM is popular, and Prazi first is a great idea, but unless something with this new quick and symptomless killer changes I am going to change my approach.

Thank you

 

[Cflip]

I understand completely. Dead fish means replacing fish, more work, and more money. Not to mention that I feel bad when fish I am caring for pass.

I will share my experience. Fortunately for me, I found these fish disease forums before I purchased my first tank. I studied them in depth prior to even buying my system. Once I understood the life cycle of the common fish diseases I came up with a plan that wasn't completely "by the book" but it was close.
Doing QT properly from the very beginning was a huge advantage. I added my CuC around 45 days prior to introducing my first fish. Every fish I purchased went through copper and prazi. I did lose some fish in QT, some for unknown reasons and some from my mistakes. The reward for that work is that I have purchased 13 fish that made it into my DT. These include a Hippo and Yellow Tang which are known to be very disease susceptible. Of the original 13 I have only lost my royal gramma. I think I may have killed or trapped it while moving rocks around. :( That said, I am now very protective of everything that goes into my tank. I don't worry about losing fish and that has made the hobby fun.

Stick with it. QT everything. Be protective of what makes it into your tank. Not everything will make it since wholesalers and many retailers are becoming experts at passing sick fish through before they show symptoms. At least you will know that once they are in your DT, the stress is over.

Now if only I were better with coral.... :confused:

Thank -you. I called the place where I purchased the fish and even though it was past the guarantee time they are still standing behind it!! That helps a little he was an expensive fish. They thought perhaps he jumped and hit the glass top. Maybe? So you added the copper before putting the fish in? Since my tank is in fallow I will try and keep my hawk alive add him to DT and QT another months from now. I hope he doesn't own the tank and kill whatever I put in next!

 

[Brew12]

Thank -you. I called the place where I purchased the fish and even though it was past the guarantee time they are still standing behind it!! That helps a little he was an expensive fish. They thought perhaps he jumped and hit the glass top. Maybe? So you added the copper before putting the fish in? Since my tank is in fallow I will try and keep my hawk alive add him to DT and QT another months from now. I hope he doesn't own the tank and kill whatever I put in next!

No, I don't put the copper in before the fish, but my goal will be to start adding copper on day 2 and have therapeutic levels of copper by day 4.

For now, I am also going to avoid adding any copper sensitive fish. Here is a great reference on which fish can tolerate copper.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fish-and-treatment-guidelines-with-chart.283450/

 

[SUSIESON]

I'm sorry this happened!
This hobby is a love/hate experience isn't it?
I've had bad luck with some wrasses too.

I will say tho, my cheapest fish always seem to live [emoji23]

 

[Cflip]

Thank-you everyone for your help and support!

 

[Flippers4pups]

Last year I lost two carpenters and a redline with no apparent reason. Looked great and was eating very well for two weeks at my trusted LFS. Went through QT with flying colors and used Prazi and later chelated copper as I always have with very good results with wrasses, eating like pigs the whole time. Once fished QT in they went in the DT and was eating like pigs for two weeks and then all died within two weeks. Never any signs of anything wrong the whole time. No aggression, no stress, no stringy poo, no external signs...... nothing! Crazy.

 

[Cflip]

Last year I lost two carpenters and a redline with no apparent reason. Looked great and was eating very well for two weeks at my trusted LFS. Went through QT with flying colors and used Prazi and later copper as I always have with very good results, eating like pigs the whole time. Once fished QT in they went in the DT and was eating like pigs for two weeks and then all died within two weeks. Never any signs of anything wrong the whole time. No aggression, no stress, no stringy poo, no external signs...... nothing! Crazy.

Wow!! Makes me want to rethink having a wrasse now. But they are so colorful.

 

[MattL22]

Never had luck with qt myself have delt with ick and velvet outbreaks which hurt but still believe qt not right for everyone for me a stable tank smart fish choices (not adding a fish that will cause a lot of aggression) that don't stress the tank and making sure to inspect all new additions really well has worked well over last few yrs

 

[Humblefish]

Completed 10 days with Prazi did a 40% water change.

Can you describe exactly how you did this? How many times/when did you dose prazi during the 10 day period, what were the dosage amounts, when did you do the WC, etc.?