Reasons for Doing Water Changes?

[dz6t]

Maybe Paul B is an example of bad things that can happen using ozone recklessly.

With supermodels by his side? Yes that would do it. Lol

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Randy can you please elaborate on this please?

I made a post above on it (copied below). You mean expand beyond this?

No. They couldn't, because trace element uptake is not necessarily tied to calcification at all.

Much of the trace element uptake in a reef aquarium goes into tissues and/or inorganic precipitation due to insolubility. They do not necessarily go into skeletons.

Even if every hard coral generated the same amount of tissue per skeleton (do you think they do?), what about trace element uptake by soft corals, macroalgae, microalgae, sponges, and every other growing organism that deposits no calcium carbonate at all?

Maybe this idea is better than mL of a mix per gallon per week, but possibly not.

 

[dz6t]

No. They couldn't, because trace element uptake is not necessarily tied to calcification at all.

Much of the trace element uptake in a reef aquarium goes into tissues and/or inorganic precipitation due to insolubility. They do not necessarily go into skeletons.
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Bingo!
Also for Red Sea trace elements A, B,C,D, they do not tell you what elements in the bottles and at what concentrations.
Sorry Randy I missed your earlier post.

 

[Newb73]

With supermodels by his side? Yes that would do it. Lol

I run ozone, and this is my wife.

Maybe a theme???

 

[dz6t]

I run ozone, and this is my wife.

Maybe a theme???

I bet you over dose ozone all the time.

 

[Newb73]

I bet you over dose ozone all the time.

Only when i have the flu and am willing to sacrifice irritation to the lining of the bronchioles to kill the pesty virus or bacteria.

I find vodka and a 13 hour sleep schedule along with home made chili to help.

 

[Lasse]

As you can see on my profile photo - I´m more of a peroxide guy

Sincerely Lasse

 

[dz6t]

As you can see on my profile photo - I´m more of a peroxide guy

Sincerely Lasse

I can see that, you are well oxidized, err seasoned. Wait, that does not sound right.

 

[Lasse]

I can see that, you are well oxidized, err seasoned. Wait, that does not sound right.

You never know - peroxide or age - maybe both

Sincerely Lasse

 

[gregkn73]

Seeing farmerty no water change tank, with just a calcium reactor and no trace dosing and also glenf no water change tank, who is using only commercial available to hobbyist's tests, someone will assume that trace elements no needed for corals, even acropora health!

 

[SPR1968]

I made a post above on it (copied below). You mean expand beyond this?

No. They couldn't, because trace element uptake is not necessarily tied to calcification at all.

Much of the trace element uptake in a reef aquarium goes into tissues and/or inorganic precipitation due to insolubility. They do not necessarily go into skeletons.

Even if every hard coral generated the same amount of tissue per skeleton (do you think they do?), what about trace element uptake by soft corals, macroalgae, microalgae, sponges, and every other growing organism that deposits no calcium carbonate at all?

Maybe this idea is better than mL of a mix per gallon per week, but possibly not.

This is taken from the dosing instructions of the Red Sea Coral Colours- you can also dose by measuring the elements but the 20ppm calcium uptake is an ‘easier’ way. That’s the method I follow with the coral colours.

‘Dosing by calcium (coral growth) demand
Our research also identified a constant ratio between each of the Coral Colors and the overall consumption of calcium, which is proportional to coral growth and metabolic activity. Therefore, by measuring the uptake of calcium by the corals we are able to replenish all of the elements that have definitely been depleted from the water by the corals, without the danger of reaching toxic levels. This method of dosing should be used for supplementing Coral Colors D and can be applied successfully to Coral Colors A, B, & C.’

Dosing by calcium (coral growth) demand
Calculate the daily or weekly dose of each supplement according to the dosage of Red Sea’s Reef Foundation supplements or to a known uptake of calcium. (Add 1ml of Color supplement for every 20ppm of Calcium added per 100 liters (25 gal) of aquarium water or for every 2g of calcium uptake.)’

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

This is taken from the dosing instructions of the Red Sea Coral Colours- you can also dose by measuring the elements but the 20ppm calcium uptake is an ‘easier’ way. That’s the method I follow with the coral colours.
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I know what they say, but it is simply wrong to think it applies to all reef tanks. How could it? It may apply very well to one species of coral growing by itself. It may somewhat apply to many types of SPS or even other hard corals.

What about a tank with a large number of species that take up trace elements and do not calcify?

 

[dz6t]

Seeing farmerty no water change tank, with just a calcium reactor and no trace dosing and also glenf no water change tank, who is using only commercial available to hobbyist's tests, someone will assume that trace elements no needed for corals, even acropora health!

Depends on what media used in the calcium reactor. I use Reborn reactor media, which is coral skeletons. So it provides some level of trace elements for building coral skeletons. There are plenty of trace elements in fish food too.

 

[dz6t]

This is taken from the dosing instructions of the Red Sea Coral Colours- you can also dose by measuring the elements but the 20ppm calcium uptake is an ‘easier’ way. That’s the method I follow with the coral colours.

‘Dosing by calcium (coral growth) demand
Our research also identified a constant ratio between each of the Coral Colors and the overall consumption of calcium, which is proportional to coral growth and metabolic activity. Therefore, by measuring the uptake of calcium by the corals we are able to replenish all of the elements that have definitely been depleted from the water by the corals, without the danger of reaching toxic levels. This method of dosing should be used for supplementing Coral Colors D and can be applied successfully to Coral Colors A, B, & C.’

Dosing by calcium (coral growth) demand
Calculate the daily or weekly dose of each supplement according to the dosage of Red Sea’s Reef Foundation supplements or to a known uptake of calcium. (Add 1ml of Color supplement for every 20ppm of Calcium added per 100 liters (25 gal) of aquarium water or for every 2g of calcium uptake.)’

Red Sea is over simplified the science because their products are aimed at all levels of hobbyists.

And, their theory or experimental results are not scientifically accurate.

Most hobbyists just want to sit back and relax and enjoy this hobby. The maintenance should be as simple as possible.

 

[dz6t]

I can see there is an assumption that the natural sea water is the perfect water for coral. But this may not be the case.

Coral are highly adaptable and evolves rapidly under captive conditions. There are plenty of papers about that, just google coral assisted evolution.

Another example is that we keep Alk at 8 to 9 or sometimes higher, and we all know the natural sea water has an average Alk at 7.

Many of us also keep calcium at higher level than natural sea water.

It is kind of funny that we don’t care to mimic the level of major elements but focus on trace elements.

 

[Lasse]

And coraline algae without soft tissue?

The problem is – if you simplify a method to much – the method will only be useful for the specialist – because only them knows the simplified methods boundaries.

Sincerely Lasse

 

[dz6t]

Last time one guy told me that we should only eat fruits and raw vegetables because those were what human suppose to eat thousands of years ago under the “nature environment” ( which he imply it should be the best way to live). Then I asked him if he would consider the short life spam at that stage of human history...

 

[dz6t]

And coraline algae without soft tissue?

Sincerely Lasse

With the massive led usage, people don’t see those heavily purple tanks any more.

 

[dz6t]

And coraline algae without soft tissue?

The problem is – if you simplify a method to much – the method will only be useful for the specialist – because only them knows the simplified methods boundaries.

Sincerely Lasse

Yes, when a method was simplified too much, it actually become not very useful to any one.
There is always a placeable effect on hobbyists. That is why snake oils are so popular in this hobby.

 

[dz6t]

Another example of “nature is not always the best” is felines.

In a 2010 study domestic cats were ranked the third most popular pet in the UK, after fish and dogs, with around 8 million being owned.

While cats are proliferating while eating cats foods made out of road kills and sleeping on our beds, Siberian tigers are endangered.