Thanks. I've been wanting to say it. Lol it's not that hard to make water go down hill. Lol.My biggest suggestion is DIY. Will save you alot of money
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Thanks. I've been wanting to say it. Lol it's not that hard to make water go down hill. Lol.My biggest suggestion is DIY. Will save you alot of money
Are we talking new? I'm actually in the market for a nice frag setup but no matter how I go it's still going to be upwards of 2k. Anybody who's been in the hobby for more than a year probably has enough discarded equipment laying around minus a tank to cobble something together.Ive seen plenty of used and abused ones for cheap. Even at the low end of $500 for a decent used tank and maybe a skimmer thrown in. You still have to come up with quality lights heater and return pump at a minimum and those things I wouldn't take a chance on used. The stuff I have is in the junk bin for a reason. I went cheap when I started and regretted it.Im not talking about bare minimums, i mean a low iron glass rimless tank with a nice stand and sump can still be had for much less.
I live 30 mins from WWC and order everything from aquaSD. Yea they are a wee bit proud of their corals.I have bought from WWC in the past but havent recently. They are mega overpriced for sure. I usually only buy the auctions on ebay if I can get a good deal. And as far lights and pumps. Red Sea makes decent lights and pumps. Why not include it? All I've ever said is for the money you get very little, either include more or lower the price.
I am planning a 4ft tank upgrade in a couple of years. So a genuine question.Im not talking about bare minimums, i mean a low iron glass rimless tank with a nice stand and sump can still be had for much less.
I am planning a 4ft tank upgrade in a couple of years. So a genuine question.
Where can I get a low iron rimless tank, a modern looking stand and sump for Red Sea 425XL money?
SCA120 would end up costing more than the Red Sea (I am not even sure if SCA is made in the USA anymore, it says designed in California on the package, like the iPhone). The appear to have extra bracing on top. Are there any other brands that I should look into? I am not big until DIY. Tanks with plastic rims look ugly to me.
Glass cages, waterbox and a few others all have similar or lower pricing than red sea without worrying if your seams are gonna go.I am planning a 4ft tank upgrade in a couple of years. So a genuine question.
Where can I get a low iron rimless tank, a modern looking stand and sump for Red Sea 425XL money?
SCA120 would end up costing more than the Red Sea (I am not even sure if SCA is made in the USA anymore, it says designed in California on the package, like the iPhone). The appear to have extra bracing on top. Are there any other brands that I should look into? I am not big until DIY. Tanks with plastic rims look ugly to me.
Until you have to pay for freight and a steel stand with custom, I have my quotes if you would like to see. If money wasnt an option then 1000% agree .Glass cages, waterbox and a few others all have similar or lower pricing than red sea without worrying if your seams are gonna go.
Just for the record I own ZERO redsea products. I'm not a fanboy of any kind. I own a aqueon 180 drilled for a peninsula, eshopps sump, aquatop return pump, kamoer doser. I buy where I see value, and I'm more than willing to DIY a couple things if need be.8. If you like your Red Sea tank that's fine, many do. I'm just trying to start a discussion about the true value of these tanks.
I see a lot of people complain about refilling the ATO on the sump. Of course, trying to pour water into that would be unnecessarily difficult.As I said originally the functionality of the ATO is not the issue. Its how its positioned making it difficult to refill. This is an easy fix on red sea's part and they failed to do it.
And how is a system "All-in-one" if you have to buy multiple other items? By the very definition it isn't an all in one setup.
And I am not at all new to the hobby. Ive been keeping saltwater for about 8 years, fish overall for 15. This tank is NOT the ferrari of tanks. Its more of a Tesla. A tank with alright reliability(so actually better than a Tesla) but its unique design draws a loyal following. The quality of these tanks are no better than any other tank Ive owned.
Technically I don't see where Reefers are marketed as AIO's. They are marketed as:1. The point I was making as far as the AIO comment is that you are not getting very much for the money. It is far from an all in one kit.
A similar build on glass cages with the wood stand is $4214 and without stand is $2112.Glass cages, waterbox and a few others all have similar or lower pricing than red sea without worrying if your seams are gonna go.
I use a 1 liter jug. Not real convenient when I'm over seas though.I use a plastic 5L watering can for this. Fits perfectly.
Like the attached pic, but without the black attachment obv!
Never thought that for a second with my tank that the seams are going to go . To each their own I guess.Glass cages, waterbox and a few others all have similar or lower pricing than red sea without worrying if your seams are gonna go.
Red sea themselves admitted there was a problem with the tanks and are warrantying affected tanks, its not just a couple. They said they fixed the issue in the newer tanks but if i remember correctly it was something to do with how the stand was designed in one of the models. Theyre standing behind the product which i like to see but to say it shouldnt be worried about if you have one of the affected models is ignorant. Id definitely look into it if you have a red sea tank and if it was one of the affected models get it replaced before its an issue.Never thought that for a second with my tank that the seams are going to go . To each their own I guess.
As a previous poster stated earlier there are literally thousands of these tanks out there and people only remember the few posts of the seams giving out. Was their tank level ? damaged on delivery ? damaged during use? running their scraper in the corners hard?
To say you should worry about seams going out on a major tank manufacturer is just non sense IMO
All of this is true, but a big draw of popular tanks for some people ...is their popularity.The value depends on what the hobby is for you.
For some, the hobby is everything downstream of the build (ie keeping livestock) with a premium aesthetic.
Many of those ppl gravitate towards brands who's logo they see at every LFS/Pet Store for obvious reasons. And to many of them, it's not fun to comparison shop water box vs red sea vs IM etc.
If the build is a large part of the hobby for you (including picking your own gear), then these tanks will look like a waste of money.
But for others, convenience of purchased with a clean aesthetic is a huge value.