Reliability, prices and quality..

[Freenow54]

Ecotech give a 1 year warranty on their products. Thats how confident they are in them
What do.you base yoyr assumption on?Japan took the motor industry by storm and they are no more expensive than the competition. However, what the Japanese motor industry did was to give the rest a kick up the backside and make them improve with better warranties and reliability. No bad thing hey?

The British could not do the wiring lol. The US was busy chasing Horsepower 370 out of a 350 cube right on the showroom floor for about 2500 Canadian

 

[atoll]

SICCE comes with 5. Abyzz 10. /shrug.

SICCE pumps cheaper than Ecotech as well not sure about Abyzz.

 

[ReefED!]

100% agreement that I’ll pay for quality but when the quality isn’t there why would I pay high prices?

 

[areefer01]

SICCE pumps cheaper than Ecotech as well not sure about Abyzz.

I was just mentioning the warranty - not price. The whole argument is sort of moot though as different brands have different warranties and their perceived quality. Mercedes Benz offers bumper to bumper 4 year/50,000 miles while Chevy is 3 year/36,000 miles. Powertrain is 4 year/50,000 for the benz while 5 year/60,000 for the Chevy.

This dance spans multiple songs. I will have experience A and you will have experience B..

 

[Ef4life]

Everyone who likes Jebao should actually be rooting for the other companies. It’s the other companies doing all the R&D for companies like Jebao to ripoff

If you don’t like Chinese ip theft, don’t build your products in China with Chinese parts and then complain about it when they cut out the middle man.

 

[ReefED!]

If you don’t like Chinese ip theft, don’t build your products in China with Chinese parts and then complain about it when they cut out the middle man.

It’s a catch 22

They build in China to be competitive , but when they do it their designs get stolen


Although in fairness they’re going to steal it anyway these days

Kevin OLeary talks about this a lot

 

[Marco_99]

Am not going to reply to all of that, quite frankly I can't be bothered, please forgive me.
However. Ecotech are so confident in their superior quality products they give a whole years guarantee. That at only 3 times the price of their very much cheaper Jebao competition.
At least Tunze give a 5 year guarantee and yes I also have Tunze equipment as well as jebao and an old Ecotech MP4. My MP40 is from back when the magnets didn't rust and the motors just went on and on as mine does. My MP40 is 8 to 10 years old. Am not exactly sure how old as I bought it secondhand.

You’re basing your science of reasoning off of what? You heard some Ecotech magnets rusted so they all rust now?? Was this caused by other factors or just they’re all junk now?? My Mp40 magnets haven’t rusted, i own 3 of them, the motors go on and on 24/7 too.

If I have to fiddle around replacing a cheaper product all the time that alone to me is worth the extra cost of the expensive product. Buy once, cry once.

If Jebao is the crown jewel in cost and performance, remember “they’re just as good and do the same thing”, this whole forum would be top to bottom Jebao owners. Why isn’t it?? Go ahead and tell us all why it’s not.

 

[atoll]

You’re basing your science of reasoning off of what? You heard some Ecotech magnets rusted so they all rust now?? Was this caused by other factors or just they’re all junk now?? My Mp40 magnets haven’t rusted, i own 3 of them, the motors go on and on 24/7 too.

Where did I say or even suggest that? Lots of people have reported rusting MP40 magnets. I guess you missed them.
MY MP40 magnet hasn't rusted either but then it's 8 to 10 years old when there were no complaints of risting magnets.

If I have to fiddle around replacing a cheaper product all the time that alone to me is worth the extra cost of the expensive product. Buy once, cry once.

Really,well in my experience abd that ifmany on here reading the replies neither I nor them are fiddling round with our cheap pumps. Tell me then, why do ecotech only give a 1 year warranty on their very expensive superior quality over the cheap Chinese pumps?

If Jebao is the crown jewel in cost and performance, remember “they’re just as good and do the same thing”, this whole forum would be top to bottom Jebao owners. Why isn’t it?? Go ahead and tell us all why it’s not.

Because there are still people like you who believe the hype and yet only get a 1 year warranty with Ecotech equipment same as the cheap Chinese pumps. That's how confident Ecotech are in their pump. At 3 times less than their MP40 Jebao don't have to give more than a years warranty.

I have an MP40 8 to 10 years old when there were no complaints about rusting magnets. When is eventually fails do you honestly think I would buy one if their bew ones? I can afford to but its not justifiable.

 

[areefer01]

Really,well in my experience abd that ifmany on here reading the replies neither I nor them are fiddling round with our cheap pumps. Tell me then, why do ecotech only give a 1 year warranty on their very expensive superior quality over the cheap Chinese pumps?

There are plenty of manufactures with 1 year warranty. You do realize that the knock off also comes with a 1 year warranty.

I can afford to but its not justifiable.

That would be a hobbyist decision and we all have different ones.

 

[atoll]

There are plenty of manufactures with 1 year warranty. You do realize that the knock off also comes with a 1 year warranty

Maybe if you read my.posts you would see I mentioned that along with why its so, never mind.

That would be a hobbyist decision and we all have different ones.

Correct.

 

[ReefED!]

Speaking of warranty why does ecotech only offer a year warranty?

I like their products but that seems to imply zero comfidence

If they don’t trust customers to not ruin their pumps they could always limit the coverage to obvious failures like rusting

 

[Marco_99]

Speaking of warranty why does ecotech only offer a year warranty?

I like their products but that seems to imply zero comfidence

If they don’t trust customers to not ruin their pumps they could always limit the coverage to obvious failures like rusting

Why do they offer 1yr warranty? Almost anything electrical in the USA has a 1yr warranty. It is the industry standard. Doesn’t matter what brand

 

[Malum Argenteum]

Speaking of warranty why does ecotech only offer a year warranty?

It is possible that they intend only to warranty against manufacturing defects and not against wear and tear. I presume they're intending the draw to their products to be something other than an appeal to long term frugality. They possibly also realize that a reef tank is really hard on equipment, and are trying to sell to a crowd that knows and accepts this (as opposed to the average Amazon bargain hunter with their new Nemo tank).

I don't think a long warranty necessarily corresponds to product quality. There's lots of examples. Toyota cars have a 3/36 warranty, while Kia/Hyundai have a 5/60.

 

[rtparty]

If you don’t like Chinese ip theft, don’t build your products in China with Chinese parts and then complain about it when they cut out the middle man.

Garbage justification to be a thief but whatever floats your boat as they say

 

[rtparty]

I have an MP40 8 to 10 years old when there were no complaints about rusting magnets. When is eventually fails do you honestly think I would buy one if their bew ones? I can afford to but its not justifiable.

There has been wetside rusting issues for 15+ years. I remember specifically talking to Tim Marks about it on Reef Centeal in 2009 or 2010.

 

[atoll]

There has been wetside rusting issues for 15+ years. I remember specifically talking to Tim Marks about it on Reef Centeal in 2009 or 2010.

Not in the UK for some reason. At least I never heard about it on the UK forums.

 

[rtparty]

Not in the UK for some reason. At least I never heard about it on the UK forums.

They were far from perfect but they were WAY better back in the day.

I won’t use them any longer since I was having wetsides replaced at least once a year for issues. Ecotech was great with warranty replacements but it got old.

I understand why people use Jebao. I use Hygger return pumps on both my tanks. When I broke the propeller on one a week ago, I had a new pump the following morning. But I don’t pretend Hygger didn’t just ripoff somebody else

The Chinese knock offs are just that: knock offs. They rely on others to do all the work and then just copy them. Doesn’t even matter who or where they’re made these days. For example, Jebao (used to be Jebo) started by stealing Tunze’s design. Tunze wasn’t even making the pumps in China and Tunze has/had a patent for their design. China didn’t care and stole the design anyway.

 

[Malum Argenteum]

(as opposed to the average Amazon bargain hunter with their new Nemo tank).

Wait -- the forum turns the A word into a link automatically? That's obnoxious.

 

[SaltyBlue]

I feel like the pumps and lights are just too easy to make and asking for competition and knockoffs. I think the companies in the hobby should focus R&D more on things the hobby needs and the Chinese knockoffs can’t provide (nutrition, pests, chemistry/ automated testing)

 

[skey44]

Am not going to reply to all of that, quite frankly I can't be bothered, please forgive me.
However. Ecotech are so confident in their superior quality products they give a whole years guarantee. That at only 3 times the price of their very much cheaper Jebao competition.
At least Tunze give a 5 year guarantee and yes I also have Tunze equipment as well as jebao and an old Ecotech MP4. My MP40 is from back when the magnets didn't rust and the motors just went on and on as mine does. My MP40 is 8 to 10 years old. Am not exactly sure how old as I bought it secondhand.

I’m unaware of ecotech magnets rusting en masse. Do you have data? I’ve seen one maybe two posts on here in my year and a half staying fairly active. I didn’t know this was an ecotech hate thread.

I have had similar experiences as you, currently having a 10 years or more old MP 10 working away night and day in my tank. Just purchased some new pumps (2xMP40 and a Vectra S) last year so time will tell.

Did you personally have a pump go bad and are upset? People choose to buy what they want. Good we have choices I suppose.