The Angel Lovers Thread

[OrionN]

They likely won't pair and spawn, just one will develop into a male and the other suppress so she won't change sex.
I had cross species spawn before but they are in the same clade. I had Flameback spawned with a Cherub angel before. Lately (20+ years) I only keep one species of large angel (mostly Regal) and one species of dwarf angel (mostly Flame) in my tank.

 

[DiaTom]

Here is my Cherub Angel. Any possibility that i can keep more than one pygmy angel in a 24x24 tank?

 

[canadianeh]

Here is my Cherub Angel. Any possibility that i can keep more than one pygmy angel in a 24x24 tank?

Cute fish! How long you have him now? What's your other fish? Any issue with your corals?

 

[Angel_Anthias lover]

Here is my Cherub Angel. Any possibility that i can keep more than one pygmy angel in a 24x24 tank?

I doubt it would work, the cherub is known to be quite agressive to other dwarf angels. Unless maybe you wanted to pair it with another cherub, but even that may not work as it would be hard to find a smaller one or their just wouldnt be enough territory.

 

[DiaTom]

Cute fish! How long you have him now? What's your other fish? Any issue with your corals?

I've had the cherub for about two months. The other fish are 4 young ocellaris, a royal gramma, and a blue sapphire damsel. No issues with corals so far. It zips around the tank pecking at the rocks and occasionally sparing with the damsel or gramma because he wants to steal their caves.

 

[Zionas]

Man I’m really tempted to try a Genicanthus heavy tank in my 6’ setup. I may well sacrifice getting a Bristletooth Tang and just have the Yellow Tang if I can do two pairs of Genicanthus angels and a lone Lamarck’s.


x1 Lamarck

x2 Spotbreast / Watanabei / Bellus

x2 either Spotbreast, Watanabei, or Bellus, cancel out whatever I got for my first pair and choose between the remaining two


Even a Lamarck, Cream, and a pair of smaller Genicanthus spp. would make me happy awww. Genicanthus spp. are beautiful.

 

[OrionN]

Man I’m really tempted to try a Genicanthus heavy tank in my 6’ setup. I may well sacrifice getting a Bristletooth Tang and just have the Yellow Tang if I can do two pairs of Genicanthus angels and a lone Lamarck’s.


x1 Lamarck

x2 Spotbreast / Watanabei / Bellus

x2 either Spotbreast, Watanabei, or Bellus, cancel out whatever I got for my first pair and choose between the remaining two


Even a Lamarck, Cream, and a pair of smaller Genicanthus spp. would make me happy awww. Genicanthus spp. are beautiful.

Genicanthus angels, like other angels, the male of one species tend to suppressed development of other angels in the same Genus. Two Genicanthus males tend to fight. Maybe someone here have two male Genicanthus angels in a medium tank can chime in. These fish are more open water fish and stay in the open, and swim a lot more than other angels. They get pretty large, even the smallest species, G. watanabei angel. They are beautiful and reefsafe.

 

[Zionas]

How many do you suggest I put in a 180-gallon 6’ tank without biological overload? At most I am thinking one Lamarck’s, and two pairs of two different species (Watanabei, Spotbreast, Bellus).

 

[OrionN]

I guess our tanks are living things, because your tank keep on growing bigger and bigger.
;););):D:D:D

 

[Zionas]

Yup. They said “get the largest tank possible” so I looked at the amount of space I have and figured I could put in the 6’ tank. Not as large as yours though, yours is almost twice as large.

 

[Sleepingtiger]

Angel pics! Thanks

How big is that tank?

 

[Sleepingtiger]

I am setting up a 180G bowfront 72 x 29 x 18(on the ends) and 24 in the center.

The focus will be mainly sticks.

I love angelfish, and by far my favorite is a emperor.

I would like to add the following angelfish to my tank

1 x emperor
2 x regal
1 x asfur
4 x flame

I would like to add some other fish like yellow tangs, copperband butterfly, pyramid butterfly, longnose butterfly and Moorish idol.

Am I too ambitious on this? Thanks

 

[Zionas]

Mmmm.... I’m not the best person to ask but I’m inclined to say yes, you are veering towards the overly ambitious side.


Emperor gets over a foot long.

Asfur gets to over a foot long. Tank’s too small.

Regal could work, just make sure you can find a very good specimen because it’s a hard fish to keep.

4 Flame Angels as in two mated pairs? I’m not sure if that would work, but maybe if they’re two mated pairs you stand a chance. IMO I’d keep it at a pair or at most, a harem (1 male 2 females). @OrionN would be the best person to ask.


Yellow Tangs are a good choice. Not sure how having more than one works but feel free to ask.


Moorish Idols are best left in the ocean. If you really want that look, get a Heniochus spp. bannerfish instead.


The butterflies I am not sure how mixing them works, but I suppose you could try mixing 3 different genuses.


Instead of the very large angels like the Asfur and Emperor (sorry to burst your bubble here), you could consider angels of the Genicanthus spp. They’re quite reef safe, I’ve heard mostly good reviews of their hardiness, and you can keep a pair or a harem (1 male 2 females) in your tank. You could even mix species if I’m not wrong. Watanabe, Spotbreast, Japanese Swallowtail, Bellus, Lamarck’s are the ones available. Sometimes the Red Sea Swallowtail. Lamarck’s is the largest out of these so if you get a Lamarck’s you could keep a single one and do a pair of one of the smaller species (Bellus, Watanabei, Spotbreast) or keep a pair of Lamarck’s (if you can find a male one) and a female of a smaller species.


Some angels of the genus Chaetodontoplus and Apolemichthys could also work. If you want to go easy, something like A. Xanthurus or A. Xanthosis would work. The latter is rarer because it’s from the Red Sea. Easy angels though not the most brightly colored. Among the Chaetodontoplus angels the largest you could fit would probably be a Scribbled.

The Copperband is also a difficult fish.


In terms of bioload, it would serve you better to ask the more experienced members. I’m just giving my 0.02.


Do you intend for your tank to focus solely on angels and butterflies?


P.S. If you have the luck AND the money, you could look into a Clarion Angelfish. It’s a Holacanthus but it’s the smallest among them, topping out at 8”. Try to get a captive bred one if you can. The reason why these fish are so rare is because they’re collected in a very limited range along the Mexican / Central American coast and in protected waters. Reportedly very hardy, but make sure you have everything planned out before adding one because if anything goes wrong, that’s 3000+ dollars out the window.

If you want a very expensive dwarf angel (Centropyge) that’s not C. narcosis or C. pylei, you could look into C. joculator (only collected from Cocos-Keeling) or C. interruptus.


But if I were you I’d play it safe lol.

 

[Sleepingtiger]

Mmmm.... I’m not the best person to ask but I’m inclined to say yes, you are veering towards the overly ambitious side.


Emperor gets over a foot long.

Asfur gets to over a foot long. Tank’s too small.

Regal could work, just make sure you can find a very good specimen because it’s a hard fish to keep.

4 Flame Angels as in two mated pairs? I’m not sure if that would work, but maybe if they’re two mated pairs you stand a chance. IMO I’d keep it at a pair or at most, a harem (1 male 2 females). @OrionN would be the best person to ask.


Yellow Tangs are a good choice. Not sure how having more than one works but feel free to ask.


Moorish Idols are best left in the ocean. If you really want that look, get a Heniochus spp. bannerfish instead.


The butterflies I am not sure how mixing them works, but I suppose you could try mixing 3 different genuses.


Instead of the very large angels like the Asfur and Emperor (sorry to burst your bubble here), you could consider angels of the Genicanthus spp. They’re quite reef safe, I’ve heard mostly good reviews of their hardiness, and you can keep a pair or a harem (1 male 2 females) in your tank. You could even mix species if I’m not wrong. Watanabe, Spotbreast, Japanese Swallowtail, Bellus, Lamarck’s are the ones available. Sometimes the Red Sea Swallowtail. Lamarck’s is the largest out of these so if you get a Lamarck’s you could keep a single one and do a pair of one of the smaller species (Bellus, Watanabei, Spotbreast) or keep a pair of Lamarck’s (if you can find a male one) and a female of a smaller species.


Some angels of the genus Chaetodontoplus and Apolemichthys could also work. If you want to go easy, something like A. Xanthurus or A. Xanthosis would work. The latter is rarer because it’s from the Red Sea. Easy angels though not the most brightly colored. Among the Chaetodontoplus angels the largest you could fit would probably be a Scribbled.

The Copperband is also a difficult fish.


In terms of bioload, it would serve you better to ask the more experienced members. I’m just giving my 0.02.


Do you intend for your tank to focus solely on angels and butterflies?


P.S. If you have the luck AND the money, you could look into a Clarion Angelfish. It’s a Holacanthus but it’s the smallest among them, topping out at 8”. Try to get a captive bred one if you can. The reason why these fish are so rare is because they’re collected in a very limited range along the Mexican / Central American coast and in protected waters. Reportedly very hardy, but make sure you have everything planned out before adding one because if anything goes wrong, that’s 3000+ dollars out the window.

If you want a very expensive dwarf angel (Centropyge) that’s not C. narcosis or C. pylei, you could look into C. joculator (only collected from Cocos-Keeling) or C. interruptus.


But if I were you I’d play it safe lol.

Could I just not feed the fish so they stay small? joke

I think two large angels is dangerous. I will just keep the emperor. Maybe if my wife becomes attached, she will let me get a 300g or bigger

reef safe angels just don't do it for me. I like my regular angels

I have kept CBB before with great success. I hope to duplicate those results

I have also kept a Moorish idol with success. There is a importer based out of Hawaii and the fish are in great shape. That was how was successfully get a Moorish idol to survive.

Yes, I love butterfly's and angels. I am first a fish person. Corals come second. I could never understand those beautiful reef tanks that have a pair a clownfish.

 

[Thomashtom]

How big is that tank?

480 gallons! Plus Sump’s! Thanksy

 

[The guppy guru]

Hello I want to ask if there are any ways to tell the gender of a coral beauty angle fish? Here is a picture of mine. My molly keeps trying to mate with the angel.????????????? He chases the angel and raised his gonopodium to try to mate with the fish. Even if he * hits it * his gonopodium is already damaged from previous conflicts in my 75 gallon freshwater tank, with other much larger males.

 

[Thomashtom]

Pic is not clear!

 

[mfollen]

I’ve noticed my vermetid snail population is almost gone since I’ve added my juvenile emperor angelfish. 97% sure it’s hunting them down all day and may be a natural predator for these nuisance critters.

 

[Thomashtom]

Updated angel pics!!! Thanks

 

[Zionas]

How’s the Scribbled Angel? Is it easy to keep?