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Just a quick comment. There are two LFS in my area. One store has doubled the price of his 3" to 4" yellow tangs from just a week ago. The other store is still selling his yellow tangs for the same price. If my understanding of the new regulations are true based on this conversation thread, then only fish 2" and under should get the price mark up, right? I can see how some businesses will start taking advantage of the uninformed. Consumers beware!
Those LFS just abusing the situation to jack up the price, my LFS last week just have a batch (100+) of 2 inches and smaller yellow tangs shipment and still selling at same price.I can confirm this, my LFS has doubled the price of all yellow tangs because they are harder to get now they say. Which by what I'm reading isn't true and wouldn't take affect that quickly. They raised their price the next day and said it was because of a ban on all fish from Hawaii. They are also the largest volume LFS in the state so it's not like they don't have connections in the industry.
Alaskan King Crabs crashed in the 80's with that approach, for every pound of crab collected a pound was crushed by the crab pots. I would think in this case the fish traps would crush Corals and other marine life.Maybe they can make a giant trap box to drop down in the reef.
Just curious, does that really work as advertized ? Got to be cheaper than those NEW Hawaiian Ultra Unicorn Tangs.I stopped using rhino horn a long time ago
Most scientists that have looked into the available data confirm the sustainability of the Hawaiian ornamental fish trade.
Where is your data to support this.I don't think our Saltwater hobby, currently, negatively effects the ocean as a whole on any
Where is that data so we can make the decision.But feelings and politics over facts!
Some retailers may have freaked out because one of the largest, if not the largest, wholesalers in the country did not list yellow tangs on their site a few days ago. While this isn't unheard of, it is rare for them to not have yellow tangs, and the timing leads people to question future availability. Everyone I've talked to in the industry is thinking the price of yellow tangs, and other Hawaiian fish, will go up, at the very minimum. This is causing a large demand right now. If the collectors find a way to keep going, all of this will just be a temporary boost in sales and profits. If not...... Well....... Get your Hawaiian fish while you can.
The methods used for commercial food fish, the size and species targeted and the volume captured are all more detrimental by far than ornamental fish collecting.Where is your data to support this.
Current scientific studies show major environmental impacts to sea life on all of our coasts just due to commercial fishing
The Hawaiian DNR releases their survey data every year.Where is that data so we can make the decision.
Who knows— little objective is provided, anymoreWhere is that data so we can make the decision.
Do you have that info by chance or the link I find it?The methods used for commercial food fish, the size and species targeted and the volume captured are all more detrimental by far than ornamental fish collecting.
The Hawaiian DNR releases their survey data every year.
Most of the admittedly few wildlife surveys I've seen are are pretty black and white. How many years , how many animals. Etc.Who knows— little objective is provided, anymore
Achilles tangs still out of stock been trying to get one but the yellows are available at the same price @Drs F&S
All anyone has to do is look at our history of resource management. After the Atlantic Cod crash we moved to Orange Roughy with NO science or bag limits that crashed. Only after Several Failed Fisheries & economies did Aqua Farming become Viable and Now Tilapia is the Most readily available and lucrative to those who adapted.
Living in the Great Lakes region our fisheries are in trouble due to invasive species that have totally altered & changed the ecosystem, it will never be the same. Yesterday on NPR a Professor from Michigan Tech hinted at a future Aquatic Desert
Hats off to those fighting to preserve Or at least get some funding to Scientifically review and examine the impact of Commercial collecting practises.
Alaskan King Crabs crashed in the 80's with that approach, for every pound of crab collected a pound was crushed by the crab pots. I would think in this case the fish traps would crush Corals and other marine life.
Just curious, does that really work as advertized ? Got to be cheaper than those NEW Hawaiian Ultra Unicorn Tangs.
That is easy to say but very difficult to do. Marine reef fish are hard to do, especially on a large scale that will be necessary to replace wild caught. We grew flame angels some years back and nobody wanted to pay the extra cost when they could just buy imported wild ones from overseas, even if they were inferior. Until imports of aquarium species are outlawed and consumers are willing to pay much more the culture will not be able to survive.Figure out how to breed them- the more responsible thing to do.
Unfortunately there’s lots of evidence that captive grown have a much higher carbon footprint and negative impact.That is easy to say but very difficult to do. Marine reef fish are hard to do, especially on a large scale that will be necessary to replace wild caught. We grew flame angels some years back and nobody wanted to pay the extra cost when they could just buy imported wild ones from overseas, even if they were inferior. Until imports of aquarium species are outlawed and consumers are willing to pay much more the culture will not be able to survive.