Animals that should be left in the wild

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I do not want to start any flame wars or anything, but what marine animals available to the hobbiest should be left in the wild? If you have the means to keep them healthy then great, but there are a lot of animals that die every year because of inexperience/incapability on the owner's part to care for them. Here's my list, and no offense to anyone that has them :)

-Seadragons, both leafy and weedy
-Sharks
-Jellyfish
-Dendronepthia
 
I would agree with that list.....Sharks are just to big for the average aquarist....As far as Sea dragons go I will rat anybody out that has them cause it was purchased blackmarket and is illeagal, that does nothing to help the hobby grow.........
 
Mandarins, just because alot of people buy them because they are sooo colorful.... but they just arnt ready to keep one...same with scooter blennnies
 
Being a mandarin lover, I'd have to disagree on the mandarin fish. People should do more research before buying them, but IME, they are pretty hardy little guys. Ten years ago, I bought my third saltwater fish-a green mandarin. It lived happily for a little over four years (something ate a hole in its side to kill it). I had a six line wrasse in with it for a while in the early days and the mandarin nearly died of starvation, but recovered completely in about 2 months after removing the six line. I've had the one I have now for almost two and a half years and its as fat and happy as can be. The fact that they can be bred and raised tells me they are hardy enough for aquariums, as long as you have what they need.

I understand people have issues with some cleaner wrasses, too, but I was told it was cleaners from one particular location that were typically the problem (may have been an LFS BS, but I believed him). I've had my cleaner for well over a year (which I know is not very long) and it gets fatter everyday. It picks off of everything.

For the good of the hobby, people across the board need to be more responsible and research before buying something. People tend to want to believe they will be the exception, though (myself included)... Many things should not be collected for mass distribution, don't get me wrong, but we as aquarists need to put some of that responsibility on ourselves. If people quit buying a particular nearly impossible to keep alive coral, they will eventually quit collecting it. It all starts with education. Gotta love these boards.
 
well, I'd say for the average hobbyist that hasn't been listed yet, it would be

moorish idols
filefish
sun corals (especially black sun corals)
octopii
blue banded gobies
seahorses
pipefish
clams
most anemones
and any corals and fish exported from countries without CITES permits
 
Being a mandarin lover, I'd have to disagree on the mandarin fish.

I think for the average hobbyist, they simply see a pretty fish and want it, without reading up on its needs, mandarins would do great if they were only purchased by responsible reefers, but personally I don't think they should be put in a store's tank for sale unless they are sure they're going to a good home
 
acans and micros


I think I'm going to be the only one that agrees with this one, corals shouldn't be taken out of the water for exploitive purposes, it causes them to be unnaturally overtargeted on the reefs until areas are stripped clean of them. They also poorly benefit the stores and hobbyists, since the coral divers get maybe an extra $1, the exporter gets an extra 100%+ on them, and the wholesalers mark them up an extra 400-900%...
 
Its amazing seeing that Micros and non-indo Acan Lords are still getting smuggled into this country because greedy people want to make a killing on them. They are very scarce as it is and in the next ten years they can be extinct to over collection. As far as mandarins I believe the petshops are to blame for selling these creatures to anyone who wants a cute little goby.

Here is my list.

Seadragons
Dendronepthia
Goinipora
Fungia Plates
Elegance Coral
Micros
Alvepora
Morish Idols
Rock Beauty Angels
Scooter Blennies
Sharks
 
I would agree but a little disagree.

Some of the waters that acans and micros are collected are becoming polluted and in trouble. Some of these beauties might never be seen again so I feel like it is our duty to keep these specimens around in the hobby for future reef seeding.

I have seen first hand collecting, shipping, and wholesaling and I am not happy with certain handling of these creatures. That's why it is so important to do your part and try to change, improve, or propagate an any way.


One more thing to add to the list- rays
 
I will disagree with the sun corals...I had some, including blacks, that were very healthy and reproduced in my tanks. They got fed every other day and in my opinion were gorgeous and worth the trouble. However, for the average hobbiest it's too much effort and the sun corals starve to death.
 
It would be nice if all fish sellers would agree to inform buyers that mandarins will die if they don't have an established tank...with a good bit of live rock in it.

I wanted one from the time I got my tank... but at least my LFS (robsreef) was honest enough to tell me to wait. My test was to shine a flashlight in the tank after lights out... if I couldn't see a few good swarms of copepods..I knew it wasn't ready yet.

I've had my mandarin now for over a yr...
 
Did you guys see this thread....

http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=103946&hl=blue ring&st=0

They should probably be left in the ocean.

Great idea for a thread :)

What about elegance coral?


I actually saw one of those at a supplier's a few months ago, it just just sitting in a bag in one of their tanks and I almost picked up the bag to see what was in it (they can bite through wetsuits), apparently they didn't feel like risking letting it out of the bag either. I think whomever gets one of those for their home system is just asking for trouble, kind of like cone snails
 
I've worked at a few retail and wholesale businesses in the industry
and have come to the conclusion that we need something that will
never be: Licensing to Keep Aquatic Animals.

I would do my best to educate and steer a customer away from buying
a porcupine puffer (Diodon) for their Nano-cube only to have them
come in on my day off and do just that.

How many ocellaris clownfish found a premature death in a not-fully-cycled
5 gallon tank after their new owners took the kids to Finding... ?

While I have certainly participated in the stupid decisions that many of us
make, I think that it is important, for both the hobby and the planet's aquatic denizens,
that the more advanced hobbyists take the less seasoned and really
reinforce ethical care (which can include Not buying) for all marine
organisms, from Nemo to Vampyroteuthis.

Forums like this one and websites and publications (Fenner's for example)
do spread good info. I think locally we can ask our LFSs to behave and,
if they do, we reward them with our patronage.

Wow, feels good to get that off of my chest. Sorry to be so wordy.

No buy List:
any Cephalopods
requiem sharks

I think there would be a lot of organisms where one would have to prove
a level of aquatic competence and provide the proper habitat.

Like that's gonna happen. ;)
 
Its amazing seeing that Micros and non-indo Acan Lords are still getting smuggled into this country because greedy people want to make a killing on them.

I dont think that is the case with micros. From my experiance people who get colonies order them as misc. favia or acanthastrea. I think it's just luck.
 

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