Current Quarantine Protocol

[cba191]

just to be clear, your QT doesn't use Metronidazole?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

who makes a good powdered prazi? I can only find liquid.

Fritz Prazicleanse is one.

 

[cba191]

"
Day 34: Treatments Done

• Begin copper removal through water changes.
• Binding agents Cuprisorb may be used to hasten the removal process, but work best with ionic copper.
• Carbon is usually too slow or ineffective at removing copper and should not be relied upon without adequate monitoring.
• Confirm salinity and temperature of QT and DT are the same, add fish to DT. No acclimation is required if the two tanks match in these parameters."

How many days for the copper removal?

 

[christinna77]

So youre saying its safe to pop it back to the DT to keep its seed withiut any rinsing even though its been exposed to medication like prazipro and the same can be said for sponge filters?

No - I meant you don’t need to sterilize it for future uses in the QT. Many people think they need to strip and clean their QT after every run, but that is needed only in special cases.

You CAN reuse sponge in the DT, but you need to rinse it very well in clean seawater.

Considering we do at least 2 prazi doses, and sometimes more per batch, wouldn't the tank including the sponges need to be sterilized after each use? Otherwise, after 4-5 doses, prazi would basically become useless because the bacteria would break it down too fast. At least that's one of the big reasons I always sterilize mine.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Considering we do at least 2 prazi doses, and sometimes more per batch, wouldn't the tank including the sponges need to be sterilized after each use? Otherwise, after 4-5 doses, prazi would basically become useless because the bacteria would break it down too fast. At least that's one of the big reasons I always sterilize mine.

Yes - it depends on the spacing of the quarantine runs, but it can be an issue. The biggest issue is seen in tanks where prazi has been run 5+ times in quick succession. To avoid the prazi consuming bacteria, the entire tank needs to be sterilized.

Let’s say a person has a new batch of fish arriving in 30 days. That isn’t long enough to sterilize and reseed the bio media - best to reuse the old media. On the other hand, if the next batch isn’t going to be coming in for 2 or 3 months, then putting it back into the DT will be fine until it is needed.

 

[cba191]

Yes - it depends on the spacing of the quarantine runs, but it can be an issue. The biggest issue is seen in tanks where prazi has been run 5+ times in quick succession. To avoid the prazi consuming bacteria, the entire tank needs to be sterilized.

Let’s say a person has a new batch of fish arriving in 30 days. That isn’t long enough to sterilize and reseed the bio media - best to reuse the old media. On the other hand, if the next batch isn’t going to be coming in for 2 or 3 months, then putting it back into the DT will be fine until it is needed.

what about the copper?

Also, do you need something to help mix in the prazicleanse?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

what about the copper?

Also, do you need something to help mix in the prazicleanse?

Just rinsing well with seawater will remove enough copper.

For getting prazi into the water - using a baby brine shrimp net or other fine material (even pantyhose will work) and then rinsing/pushing the powder through that into the tank is an option. There are some fine nylon mesh available online that works as well as baby brine shrimp nets.

 

[mpatterson42]

I have a 10 gallon tank that I'm currently using to do a PraziPro treatment. I have an HOB filter with cycled media balls from my display tank sump and also cycled rubble rock from my display tank in a basket in the tank. I also have an airstone in the tank. 2 days into my second round of PraziPro the water got very cloudy. How should I treat this? If I was doing copper it wouldn't be a big deal to match the copper level and do a water change, but do I do the same thing with PraziPro? Should I mix half the dose of PraziPro into 5 gallons of new saltwater and do a 5 gallon water change? Does PraziPro dissipate over time?

 

[huthain]

I have a 10 gallon tank that I'm currently using to do a PraziPro treatment. I have an HOB filter with cycled media balls from my display tank sump and also cycled rubble rock from my display tank in a basket in the tank. I also have an airstone in the tank. 2 days into my second round of PraziPro the water got very cloudy. How should I treat this? If I was doing copper it wouldn't be a big deal to match the copper level and do a water change, but do I do the same thing with PraziPro? Should I mix half the dose of PraziPro into 5 gallons of new saltwater and do a 5 gallon water change? Does PraziPro dissipate over time?

My understanding isnit dissipates after 3 days if I'm not mistaken so you should be able to do a water change, I think its recommended to do a water change after each round anyways

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I have a 10 gallon tank that I'm currently using to do a PraziPro treatment. I have an HOB filter with cycled media balls from my display tank sump and also cycled rubble rock from my display tank in a basket in the tank. I also have an airstone in the tank. 2 days into my second round of PraziPro the water got very cloudy. How should I treat this? If I was doing copper it wouldn't be a big deal to match the copper level and do a water change, but do I do the same thing with PraziPro? Should I mix half the dose of PraziPro into 5 gallons of new saltwater and do a 5 gallon water change? Does PraziPro dissipate over time?

The cloudy water after using Prazipro is pretty common. It isn't from the praziquantel itself, it is from the solvent used (a glycol). The solvent feeds heterotrophic bacteria that causes cloudy water and low dissolved oxygen levels. You always need to use good aeration when dosing Prazipro - not just water circulation, but bubbles that break the water's surface. A protein skimmer or a good air stone does that.

I prefer not to run prazi and copper at the same time unless the fish show signs of both protozoans and flukes at the same time. Because protozoans kill much faster than flukes, it is best to treat with copper and then with prazi.

Prazi is only active for 1 to 3 days. Its greatest activity is within the first four hours of a dose. Prazi doesn't kill fluke eggs, so you need multiple doses.

Here is a primer for dosing prazi:

Dosing Praziquantel (PZQ)

Using Praziquantel (PZQ) to treat flukes Overview In the early 1990’s, a researcher at the New York Aquarium published a paper on using Praziquantel (PZQ) to help control flukes, a parasitic flatworm. Also known as monogenean trematodes, these fish parasites can cause significant mortality in...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[mpatterson42]

The cloudy water after using Prazipro is pretty common. It isn't from the praziquantel itself, it is from the solvent used (a glycol). The solvent feeds heterotrophic bacteria that causes cloudy water and low dissolved oxygen levels. You always need to use good aeration when dosing Prazipro - not just water circulation, but bubbles that break the water's surface. A protein skimmer or a good air stone does that.

I prefer not to run prazi and copper at the same time unless the fish show signs of both protozoans and flukes at the same time. Because protozoans kill much faster than flukes, it is best to treat with copper and then with prazi.

Prazi is only active for 1 to 3 days. Its greatest activity is within the first four hours of a dose. Prazi doesn't kill fluke eggs, so you need multiple doses.

Here is a primer for dosing prazi:

Dosing Praziquantel (PZQ)

Using Praziquantel (PZQ) to treat flukes Overview In the early 1990’s, a researcher at the New York Aquarium published a paper on using Praziquantel (PZQ) to help control flukes, a parasitic flatworm. Also known as monogenean trematodes, these fish parasites can cause significant mortality in...

www.reef2reef.com

Thanks, I'm just running prazi, not prazi and copper, and I've had an airstone in the tank the whole time. I just didn't see the same cloudiness on the first round and wasn't sure what to do when it showed up during the second round.