Dinoflagellates – Are You Tired Of Battling Altogether?

[sfin52]

Well No3 is a bit high and po4 is good but still a touch low. As the Dino die the shell of the Dino takes a lot of po4 to break down. The bacteria that is breaking it down uses a lot of po4. That maybe the reason po4 is dropping.
How is the Dino population doing?

 

[Paullawr]

@bh750
Here this might encourage you.
Cyano on the 4th


Cyano on the 14th


Water change on the 20th

And this evening the 22nd 30 minutes before white lights out.

You sir are awesome. I love posts like this. I think it's really important to have before, during, after and much much much later so people with a feeling of utter dispair can know success, applied safely is the best approach. Might take time, its worth it though.

 

[whs6704]

Wow u have a lot.
I was fighting with that stuff and I was losing bad,I tried everything but nothing worked,and I mean everything.
But one day it was all gone
Just gone.
I beat it by mistake,and killed some coral. I don't say u should try this but this what happen.
I was doing a water change and add a power head to my sump,not knowing the dam thing had bad connecting wires.
Put it in plugged it up.i though is was working.when I checked I pulled on the wire a little that's when I found out it was bad. The wire came right off.i was so upset,but the next day all the dino algae was gone,I lost some coral but the dino was gone to.
It's been 3 month and it has not returned. My tanked has recovered and looking great.
Well that's how i won the bettle

 

[whs6704]

 

[reeferfoxx]

You sir are awesome. I love posts like this. I think it's really important to have before, during, after and much much much later so people with a feeling of utter dispair can know success, applied safely is the best approach. Might take time, its worth it though.

Im a lady ;Shy and thank you! I try to get pics in when I can.

Wow u have a lot.
I was fighting with that stuff and I was losing bad,I tried everything but nothing worked,and I mean everything.
But one day it was all gone
Just gone.
I beat it by mistake,and killed some coral. I don't say u should try this but this what happen.
I was doing a water change and add a power head to my sump,not knowing the dam thing had bad connecting wires.
Put it in plugged it up.i though is was working.when I checked I pulled on the wire a little that's when I found out it was bad. The wire came right off.i was so upset,but the next day all the dino algae was gone,I lost some coral but the dino was gone to.
It's been 3 month and it has not returned. My tanked has recovered and looking great.
Well that's how i won the bettle

So a little shock therapy actually works huh? Lmbo

 

[Paullawr]

Im a lady ;Shy and thank you! I try to get pics in when I can.


So a little shock therapy actually works huh? Lmbo

You ms are awesome!

 

[Bebow]

I did some internet searching last night on amphidinium and came across an article by an aquaculture facility. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0044848602003733 They had an amphidinium outbreak in one of there holding ponds but where able to eliminate them by dosing silicates to a 1:1 Silicate and Nitrate ratio causing a diatom bloom which I turn outcompeted the Dino’s for food. I’m thinking some one has to tried this here but haven’t been able to find anything yet.
I have read Randy Holmes-Farley’s research on dosing silicate, I’m thinking about trying it as it seems a low risk with potentially high reward adventure. I still have a light dusting of amphidinium to work with.
What do you all think?
Bob

 

[reeferfoxx]

I did some internet searching last night on amphidinium and came across an article by an aquaculture facility. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0044848602003733 They had an amphidinium outbreak in one of there holding ponds but where able to eliminate them by dosing silicates to a 1:1 Silicate and Nitrate ratio causing a diatom bloom which I turn outcompeted the Dino’s for food. I’m thinking some one has to tried this here but haven’t been able to find anything yet.
I have read Randy Holmes-Farley’s research on dosing silicate, I’m thinking about trying it as it seems a low risk with potentially high reward adventure. I still have a light dusting of amphidinium to work with.
What do you’ll think?
Bob

I think thats a great idea. Its been discussed before and I've run across similar research forums where cultures of amphidinium were unable to be grown without silicate removal. Let us know how it goes!?

 

[Paullawr]

I did some internet searching last night on amphidinium and came across an article by an aquaculture facility. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0044848602003733 They had an amphidinium outbreak in one of there holding ponds but where able to eliminate them by dosing silicates to a 1:1 Silicate and Nitrate ratio causing a diatom bloom which I turn outcompeted the Dino’s for food. I’m thinking some one has to tried this here but haven’t been able to find anything yet.
I have read Randy Holmes-Farley’s research on dosing silicate, I’m thinking about trying it as it seems a low risk with potentially high reward adventure. I still have a light dusting of amphidinium to work with.
What do you all think?
Bob

Go for it

 

[mcarroll]

I did some internet searching last night on amphidinium and came across an article by an aquaculture facility. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0044848602003733 They had an amphidinium outbreak in one of there holding ponds but where able to eliminate them by dosing silicates to a 1:1 Silicate and Nitrate ratio causing a diatom bloom which I turn outcompeted the Dino’s for food. I’m thinking some one has to tried this here but haven’t been able to find anything yet.
I have read Randy Holmes-Farley’s research on dosing silicate, I’m thinking about trying it as it seems a low risk with potentially high reward adventure. I still have a light dusting of amphidinium to work with.
What do you all think?
Bob

Read through past comments in the thread about sillicates here: silicates (<--that's a thread search; click, scroll down, click "Search")

There have been 29 comments about it (so far), and I think at least one or two folks have dabbled....but it seems like ripe grounds for experimentation.

 

[saltyhog]

I'm on day 13 of nitrate dosing and day 3 of phosphate dosing. My nitrates are up to 4ppm but my phosphate went down from 0.03 yesterday to 0...Zero after dosing 15cc of Flourish yesterday. What's up with that?

I dosed 25 cc tonight and I'll recheck tomorrow. Is the nitrate dosing contributing to the phosphate dropping?

I can definitely see some improvement in my dinos....not placebo affect.

 

[reeferfoxx]

I'm on day 13 of nitrate dosing and day 3 of phosphate dosing. My nitrates are up to 4ppm but my phosphate went down from 0.03 yesterday to 0...Zero after dosing 15cc of Flourish yesterday. What's up with that?

I dosed 25 cc tonight and I'll recheck tomorrow. Is the nitrate dosing contributing to the phosphate dropping?

I can definitely see some improvement in my dinos....not placebo affect.

Are you dosing morning and night?

 

[saltyhog]

Are you dosing morning and night?

No, just once a day.

 

[reeferfoxx]

No, just once a day.

That would be the problem. Either split the dose into two or up the dose to complete two doses per day.

 

[Bebow]

Read through past comments in the thread about sillicates here: silicates (<--that's a thread search; click, scroll down, click "Search")

There have been 29 comments about it (so far), and I think at least one or two folks have dabbled....but it seems like ripe grounds for experimentation.

My search was probably to narrow, I had silicates and amphidinium in the search bar...
Sodium silicate powder and Seachem’s Si Test kit have been ordered, will arrive Friday. From reading Randy’s research a 1:1 Si to N may be risky as my N is around 8ppm so I’ll probably start at 3 ppm Si.

 

[saltyhog]

That would be the problem. Either split the dose into two or up the dose to complete two doses per day.

I'm not sure I understand. Phosphate has to be dosed twice a day?

I hadn't been dosing at all and my phosphate was slowly climbing. Then I started dosing phosphate and my level dropped to zero.

 

[sfin52]

As Dino die the bacteria that break down Dino they use a lot of po4 to break it down.

 

[Beardo]

I'm not sure I understand. Phosphate has to be dosed twice a day?

Not a requirement but may be helpful to dose twice a day early on when demand is high, just to keep levels from bottoming out between doses. Demand will settle down and then is relatively easy to maintain with dosing once a day.

 

[reeferfoxx]

I'm not sure I understand. Phosphate has to be dosed twice a day?

I hadn't been dosing at all and my phosphate was slowly climbing. Then I started dosing phosphate and my level dropped to zero.

Just in my experience and possibly completely anecdotal, in my tank with coral, the increased nutrients were being consumed not only by thriving colonies of dino but coral as well and as sfin52 stated, bacteria.

And then

Demand will settle down and then is relatively easy to maintain with dosing once a day.

+1

FWIW, my outbreak of dino cause some sps to STN. With added nutrients to fight dinos, those corals recovered within 2 weeks. Thus the anecdotal experience of nutrient uptake by coral. I myself did have to dose twice a day. Though my tank is only 30g and 50-70% stocked in coral for the tank size.

 

[saltyhog]

As Dino die the bacteria that break down Dino they use a lot of po4 to break it down.

Not a requirement but may be helpful to dose twice a day early on when demand is high, just to keep levels from bottoming out between doses. Demand will settle down and then is relatively easy to maintain with dosing once a day.

Alright! So phosphate demand going up like that means I'm being successful! I'll try to figure out a way to dose twice a day for a while.

Really glad I found this thread!