Favorite Starfish?

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Being successful with starfish in the long term like a Fromia or Linckia for me and customers I have proof of success with has a lot to do with maintaining a steady pH the 8.2-8.4 range. A pH at 8.1 that swings down to 7.9 is not going to keep a starfish alive very long. That’s where I have seen them melt in people’s tanks most often and it usually happens very soon after they are introduced.
Except for my first tank, I have always included an area for macroalgae and a cryptic zone with live rock. The constant darkness encourages the growth of sponges, tunicates and formaniferans, bristleworms, brittle stars, bacterial films, etc. This cryptic area means that you can have a supply of live rock that has developed sponges and bacterial films that you can put into your display to feed a Linckia or Fromia, or put the star directly into the cryptic zone itself. The sponges in the cryptic zone will continue to be a source of sponge to colonize the display wherever possible.The Macroalgae refugium should be constantly pumping out pods and mysis and their eggs. If you’ve ever seen stomatella snails or those small brittle starfish spawning in your tank, that’s live zooplankton going everywhere, feed a bit more phytoplankton and you’ve got pods everywhere. If you have very good water quality you will get blooms of mysis shrimp hatched from eggs with your frozen mysis. Clean up crew like peppermint shrimp, hermit crabs, and your other snails can all be spawning. Red Banded Trochus can really get going with the spawn and then there go the brittle stars again. How much do you think SPS love all that live natural food? The more you provide the proper amount of that first link in the food chain which is phytoplankton, the more natural and diverse zooplankton and those pods essential for you Def Leppard Wrasse lovers like me. Almost any kind intended for aquarium use or you could source food grade phytoplankton. AquaVitro Fuel is a great all around reef supplement to me. Phytoplankton (Chlorella), carbohydrate, vitamin, amino acid, polyunsaturated fatty acid, and Vitamin C. Add some Lugol’s or other iodine supplement and you have a lot of bases covered and nice food web growing. Nutramar Ova was great food for everything, I wish it were still available. If you can get frozen lobster eggs or unsalted smelt roe (masago), or flying fish roe (tobiko), like from your sushi menu, they have a higher nutritional value, fat content, vitamin B12 and calcium. Cyclopeeze is great food and has a high level of carotenoids like astaxanthin that can noticeably add color to fish and corals.
You can chase Nitrate and Phosphate ratios or low alk, low pH and whatever else in search of a more colorful, healthy and resilient reef tank, but nothing that contributes to your “microbiome” which I hate hearing that BRS Clown say in his ridiculous videos. Anyhoo, yeah nothing in your tank that contributes to a more diverse and abundant amount of natural zooplankton for your SPS, amphipods, copepods and mysis for fish and coral, filter feeders and sponge eats Nitrate and Phosphate.
 
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Being successful with starfish in the long term like a Fromia or Linckia for me and customers I have proof of success with has a lot to do with maintaining a steady pH the 8.2-8.4 range. A pH at 8.1 that swings down to 7.9 is not going to keep a starfish alive very long. That’s where I have seen them melt in people’s tanks most often and it usually happens very soon after they are introduced.
Out of curiosity, how long have you/your customers been able to keep Fromia/Linckia stars for?
 

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Out of curiosity, how long have you/your customers been able to keep Fromia/Linckia stars for?
4 years I know of on a Blue Linckia in a 360g with about 50g macroalgae refugium and 50g cryptic zone , 2 almost 3 years I know for sure of with Fromia monilis,
At least 2 years on Echinaster echinophorus
4 years on that Patiria pectinifera that tons of people saw in the shop for years
Sand sifters obviously a long time
The Culcita was 2 years when I sold it to someone I knew really wanted it and could take care of it. The Himeromitra robustipinna were 9 months and then 1 year 2 months and 26 days. I prepared and it got a lot of care but it was my last attempt. I never ordered one intentionally. It was always upon seeing them already imported. It’s just hard when you see them in a box at a wholesaler and you know it’s doomed, but you could treat it with more care and effort than someone else.
Though I usually don’t hear of the deaths right away or sometimes at all. It’s the customers who always come in like clockwork for RO/DI, food, check out new corals, water tests, etc. One thing that I have always done, and at a great loss of time and money when you add it up is free water tests. Complete reef tests, including Mag and Strontium if necessary. I’ve never wanted my friends or customers to be discouraged about having water tests done. Sure, I might make you do the tests yourself sometimes with my kits because I want you to learn, then I will interpret them. It’s where I get to say, do this and add this much, then bring me water in a week, then they’ll come back and we’ll test again to make sure and I can connect what they see in their tank with the test results or if it’s not, we’ve gotta keep considering possibilities. Some things like temperature, PAR or flow, the kinda things I can’t verify, so if there’s a continuing issue, I have to see it in person and it can be simple like a bad heater or it’s set at 87 instead of 77, or they don’t know how to tune their skimmer. So, I have long term relationships where I get to know everything about their system, they trust me, I test their water for everything and if I tell them something is a bad idea, they’ll stay away from it like biopellets and I’m notoriously against controllers and any equipment that isn’t useful or has the potential to become a problem itself.
I know this was a customer who had the Knobby for at least a year at this point and he wanted another. I told him he’s been lucky so far, no need to chance it and have both go down.

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Hey everyone!
What’s your favorite kind of starfish?

My favorite is the cushion starfish (Culcita novaeguineae), but it’s not reef safe…
So, my favorite reef safe starfish are asterinas.

(Honorable mention for the common sunstar - Crossaster papposus - which eats other starfish and sea cucumbers.)
I feel like calling Asterinas reef safe is being optimistic; most people treat them as pests specifically because they can and often eat coral.

I've always like Fromia species the most; they are reef safe, easier to keep than Linckias, and smaller growing than Linckias.

This was my cushion star that I had while while I lived in Hawaii. I used to feed him by placing him on top of clams on the half shell. That didn't stop him from eating 2 or 3 urchins.
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I'm super late to this but have you actually had a good experience with fromia? They are beautiful but we had an indica and it started falling apart pretty quickly. Still have a pacifica but it still has some strange lumps/bumps on it.
 

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I'm super late to this but have you actually had a good experience with fromia? They are beautiful but we had an indica and it started falling apart pretty quickly. Still have a pacifica but it still has some strange lumps/bumps on it.
Hey @jbsayss I've kept multiple Fromia indica starfish and even conducted an independent observational study on feeding them and kept records of their behavior. I wrote my first magazine article for UltraMarine Magazine UK on the topic years ago. If you have questions, I have a writing/photography portfolio where you can contact me.

www.malcolmgraylevison.com
 

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I'm super late to this but have you actually had a good experience with fromia? They are beautiful but we had an indica and it started falling apart pretty quickly. Still have a pacifica but it still has some strange lumps/bumps on it.
Hey @jbsayss I've kept multiple Fromia indica starfish and even conducted an independent observational study on feeding them and kept records of their behavior. I wrote my first magazine article for UltraMarine Magazine UK on the topic years ago. If you have questions, I have a writing/photography portfolio where you can contact me.

www.malcolmgraylevison.com
I know - I tried to message you on here when I first got my indica to try to see if you could offer advice. Didn't see the article though, thank you. I'll check it out and message you via your portfolio because the Indica didnt make it but I still have the pacifica but have concerns.
Thank you!
 

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I know - I tried to message you on here when I first got my indica to try to see if you could offer advice. Didn't see the article though, thank you. I'll check it out and message you via your portfolio because the Indica didnt make it but I still have the pacifica but have concerns.
Thank you!
 

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