FDA warns Chewy kraft drug and fish antibiotics company

[Reefering1]

Yeah, I'm not following any of your logic. Would you also not wear glasses if you needed them? I don't understand suffering (in your example, with a headache) needlessly. Taking aspirin, acetaminophen, ibuprofen, etc doesn't affect your immune system.

And no, antibiotics don't "suppress" the immune system, they kill the thing that's making you sick. Immunosuppressants are a whole different type of medication that is necessary for some who have autoimmune diseases, organ transplants, certain cancers, etc.

You might be on to something.. I do let my tank suffer through its issues believing that it makes it stronger in the end

 

[EeyoreIsMySpiritAnimal]

I really think that the argument "people using antibiotics for their aquarium inhabitants causes antibiotic resistance" (no one in particular made this exact statement), is a non-issue.

The issue is "people having easy access to 'animal' medication to use for themselves (or other humans)", thereby contributing to the misuse and overuse of antibiotics which can have a significant impact on the development of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

IMO, the amount of medication used by the aquarium hobby as a whole is a very small drop in the bucket when it comes to antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria, and likely not even a drop when it concerns diseases that affect humans.

 

[Cichlid Dad]

Looks like as of the first of the year you will no longer be able to buy fish antibiotics without a prescription. They don’t want you to have free access to these meds for a reason. Perhaps a reason that will become apparent soon

FDA warns Chewy kraft drug and fish antibiotics company​

US FDA warns Chewy kraft drug and fish antibiotics company

The FDA said the retailers sold unapproved medications containing penicillin and amoxicillin, which could lead to the evolution of drug-resistant “superbugs.” The products in question were targeted at birds and fish, the FDA wrote in a letter to the companies.

thefishaid.com

Yes, they don't want us stocking up for end of the world. Seems like they finally caught on to what many people have been doing for years

 

[Reefering1]

Yeah, I'm not following any of your logic. Would you also not wear glasses if you needed them? I don't understand suffering (in your example, with a headache) needlessly. Taking aspirin, acetaminophen, ibuprofen, etc doesn't affect your immune system.

And no, antibiotics don't "suppress" the immune system, they kill the thing that's making you sick. Immunosuppressants are a whole different type of medication that is necessary for some who have autoimmune diseases, organ transplants, certain cancers, etc.

And yes, many times I should have got stitches but didn't- I let my body suffer through it and heal on its own... you should see how fast I heal... once cut the tip off a finger and refused any medicine. It turned out fine

 

[EeyoreIsMySpiritAnimal]

You might be on to something.. I do let my tank suffer through its issues believing that it makes it stronger in the end

And in some ways, this is very true. Because the tank gains a more robust biome by being exposed to the various things that make it "suffer" (kind of like getting a vaccination...)

 

[MnFish1]

You might be on to something.. I do let my tank suffer through its issues believing that it makes it stronger in the end

This is a focus (I dont know the percent) - of reefers here - put mud in a sump from the Atlantic, though the fish and corals come from the pacific. Feed clams - though clams may not be nutritious for some tank inhabitants. People do what they do - no complaints there. But - I think the key word in your post was 'suffer'. I dont think you mean 'on purpose'. You, in fact may be right - animals in the wild do have to suffer for their food. Its an interesing discussion

 

[Reefering1]

This is a focus (I dont know the percent) - of reefers here - put mud in a sump from the Atlantic, though the fish and corals come from the pacific. Feed clams - though clams may not be nutritious for some tank inhabitants. People do what they do - no complaints there. But - I think the key word in your post was 'suffer'. I dont think you mean 'on purpose'. You, in fact may be right - animals in the wild do have to suffer for their food. Its an interesing discussion

Maybe it's my ignorance, but I truly believe suffering builds strength. And I practice it on myself. Seems to work even if I don't know why

 

[Oldreefer44]

I guess I'm grouping different things together.. so vaccines add, whereas antibiotics suppress, right? Supose I was more referring to antibiotics than vaccines. I guess I see them all as a crutch to the immune system. (I may be misinformed). I don't even take headache medicine for the same reason.

Sometimes crutches are a necessary part of the healing process.

 

[MnFish1]

Maybe it's my ignorance, but I truly believe suffering builds strength. And I practice it on myself. Seems to work even if I don't know why

PM me. this would be an interesting discussion

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Maybe the FDA should first prohibit big pharma to dump their waste products into the next river and produce resistances before they have even packaged their products instead of bugging small consumers like fish keepers? NO? To big of an enemy? Thought so.

Not that I care. Here in the EU we aren't able to aquire antibiotics anyway.

Wow, that is some heavy conspiracy thinking.

Do you have any evidence that any pharma company dumps antibiotics into rivers? That would be a huge EPA violation.

Antibiotics in rivers comes from consumers peeing them out, or flushing unused pills.

 

[Cichlid Dad]

PM me. this would be an interesting discussion

Hay! Unfair, we want in on the discussion. LOL!

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

And yes, many times I should have got stitches but didn't- I let my body suffer through it and heal on its own... you should see how fast I heal... once cut the tip off a finger and refused any medicine. It turned out fine

Wow. By the time you are 99, maybe you will be resistant to death itself.

 

[Cichlid Dad]

Wow, that is some heavy conspiracy thinking.

Do you have any evidence that any pharma company dumps antibiotics into rivers? That would be a huge EPA violation.

Antibiotics in rivers comes from consumers peeing them out, or flushing unused pills.

 

[MnFish1]

Wow, that is some heavy conspiracy thinking.

Do you have any evidence that any pharma company dumps antibiotics into rivers? That would be a huge EPA violation.

Antibiotics in rivers comes from consumers peeing them out, or flushing unused pills.

pharmaceutical companies seem to get a bad rap - some perhaps deserved - overall - IMHO - everyone Is working to help people and humanity. EDIT (and make some profit)

 

[Reefering1]

Sometimes crutches are a necessary part of the healing process.

Yea, I guess... if I wore a sling for my arm, when I dislocated my shoulder, maybe it would have healed better...
I'm not asserting that I'm right or anybody is wrong, just sharing my philosophical stance. I know its not perfect

 

[MnFish1]

Yea, I guess... if I wore a sling for my arm, when I dislocated my shoulder, maybe it would have healed better...
I'm not asserting that I'm right or anybody is wrong, just sharing my philosophical stance. I know its not perfect

This is a good philosophy IMHO, it's only your opinion. All good. however - I might suggest - if you had real 'suffering'. you might think differently. Because I'm sure there are plenty of people on R2R - with significant illness, multiple side effects - much more long-standing than a dislocated shoulder - As @Randy Holmes-Farley has done research - on kidney issues - I can assure you those patients suffer. From personal experience. But - like I said - perhaps more a private conversation

 

[EeyoreIsMySpiritAnimal]

I do find it interesting (although not at all surprising) that this thread was started by a vendor that sells these "fish medications"... trying to drum up last minute business I guess.

 

[Reefering1]

Wow. By the time you are 99, maybe you will be resistant to death itself.

Lol. Shh- Don't tell anybody, the fedaralies may lock me in a lab for experimenting.. but seriously, idk, I'd be happy to still have my mind, lungs, heart and mobility by that point. Don't want to live too long just to suffer at the end. So do it now

 

[MnFish1]

I do find it interesting (although not at all surprising) that this thread was started by a vendor that sells these "fish medications"... trying to drum up last minute business I guess.

Agreed - stock up immediately!!!. I haven't used an antibiotic in my tanks for perhaps 20 years

 

[Reefering1]

This is a good philosophy IMHO, it's only your opinion. All good. however - I might suggest - if you had real 'suffering'. you might think differently. Because I'm sure there are plenty of people on R2R - with significant illness, multiple side effects - much more long-standing than a dislocated shoulder - As @Randy Holmes-Farley has done research - on kidney issues - I can assure you those patients suffer. From personal experience. But - like I said - perhaps more a private conversation

Yes, agree 100% alot of things don't heal themselves. No discussion there. I am lucky and my "suffering" is a cough in the grand scheme of illnesses