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No need to get heated or angry at each other. If you believe the reefs will be gone then let's do something to protect whats left. I propose mariculture/aquaculture is the answer or at least all we have as a realistic controllable option. Even if, as I contend, the reefs are not going to be gone soon, it is still the correct thing to do, at least politically correct. I've been doing it for 20 years and don't need to prove or defend myself to anyone. BTW, I'm not an expert at anything, just a guy doing something and trying to not be a whiner and complainer, at least not all the time
Seriously guys, how about them Red Sox?
Off track
2.8lbs, cowboy steak
Is that lame?I love lamp.
Is that lame?
Good job guys, this thread has officially jumped the shark ;Blackeye
I've been following this thread and enjoy the debate almost as I appreciate the info the OP has been sharing. I personally feel the reefs have survived much worse that humankind (at least 1 massive extinction event and countless hot cycles and ice ages) and will be here long after we are gone mostly because they are just programmed to survive, vs us fighting each other over how we will survive. I too believe mariculture is the way forward, and hope eventually the powers that be will at least see value in injecting new genes into the mariculture business at a somewhat regular rate.
One of my contacts in Indonesia told me today that a significant meeting is scheduled for next week. I have no independent confirmation since there have never been any official updates. Supposedly according to this contact a pathway is in sight. We'll see, been down this road a few times. If this is another rumor at least the details sound good. All the best to all concerned parties.
I think with this update I'll request to close this thread since it has degenerated into demeaning or irrelevant comments to the original intent. If anyone wishes to explore their opinions there are many other forums on this board where you can do so to your heart's content.
Thank you for the update!!!As per my previous update, the exporters association had the meeting yesterday with the parliament.
More details emerged from my contacts that attended the meeting. This is what they had to say: the shut down started in May when a letter was issued by the local Fisheries Ministry in Bali and Mataram that they would no longer be issuing health certificates (HC) (the reason for this was not given to me, but I think we understand the situation). As we know, shipments can not get on a plane without the HC. No official letter was ever issued from the main Fisheries Ministry top officials. At the parliment meeting it was questioned as to why no top level official statement had ever been issued and the question was not resolved. Parliament stated that the original letter was to be withdrawn and exports were to be allowed immediately. Folks there that have had no income since May must have felt relieved, but wait a minute. However, no Ministers were present at the meeting and it is still unknown if HC will be issued. It's all just too fresh to know for sure.
Some of my contacts are moving forward with obtaining CITES permits and feel they could begin shipping with 2 weeks. Others are waiting until there is an official statement from the Fisheries Ministry. Others say that collection of corals and transport to Jakarta is still prohibited. Collection is done quite some distance from Jakarta which is simply the hub where corals are gathered to be exported, permits are required to collect and ship within the country as well as to export out of the country.
So, it's still as clear as mud. Rumors still abound and even many exporters are putting out conflicting info, just as they have been throughout the shut down.
Social media has been abuzz that the shut down is over. Maybe so, maybe not, we don't know for sure. When I asked exporters directly if they could ship now, the answer was no they can't. Certainly there is some progress and there is now a light showing from the end of the tunnel, we hope.
If we can keep on topic I'll keep this thread open to give further updates.
As per my previous update, the exporters association had the meeting yesterday with the parliament.
More details emerged from my contacts that attended the meeting. This is what they had to say: the shut down started in May when a letter was issued by the local Fisheries Ministry in Bali and Mataram that they would no longer be issuing health certificates (HC) (the reason for this was not given to me, but I think we understand the situation). As we know, shipments can not get on a plane without the HC. No official letter was ever issued from the main Fisheries Ministry top officials. At the parliment meeting it was questioned as to why no top level official statement had ever been issued and the question was not resolved. Parliament stated that the original letter was to be withdrawn and exports were to be allowed immediately. Folks there that have had no income since May must have felt relieved, but wait a minute. However, no Ministers were present at the meeting and it is still unknown if HC will be issued. It's all just too fresh to know for sure.
Some of my contacts are moving forward with obtaining CITES permits and feel they could begin shipping with 2 weeks. Others are waiting until there is an official statement from the Fisheries Ministry. Others say that collection of corals and transport to Jakarta is still prohibited. Collection is done quite some distance from Jakarta which is simply the hub where corals are gathered to be exported, permits are required to collect and ship within the country as well as to export out of the country.
So, it's still as clear as mud. Rumors still abound and even many exporters are putting out conflicting info, just as they have been throughout the shut down.
Social media has been abuzz that the shut down is over. Maybe so, maybe not, we don't know for sure. When I asked exporters directly if they could ship now, the answer was no they can't. Certainly there is some progress and there is now a light showing from the end of the tunnel, we hope.
If we can keep on topic I'll keep this thread open to give further updates.