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[gus6464]

Show me a lux meter whose response is the second bell curve that has a bias towards blue. The cheap ones and certainly the free phone ones do not have it.

You also don't seem to know the definition of vaporware. A quick Google search would yield the spectrum output of a Luxeon mint.

I get that you are on this crusade to get people to believe you that lux is the same as par. Having a conversation factor of 10% vs 6000% is not statistically the same but in your eyes it is.

If you cared to actually provide users with a low cost alternative to a par meter you would be concentrating on taking a cheapo lux meter and converting it to a par meter with some filters and making it waterproof vs just using random conversion numbers for every fixture people have. I have also shown that such a device is possible.

T5 and MH as Dana Riddle has pointed out many times is a constant conversion as the bulbs are always the same no matter what fixtures you put it in. Led is a whole different beast as no two fixtures are the same and even color settings within the same fixture will be different.

Keep on telling people to use their phones to measure their tanks that's fine. I'll just keep telling them as well that it's not an accurate way to do it and they can come to their own conclusion. If they want to keep doing it your way that's fine or they can go out and try to borrow a par meter.

 

[Eggyoke]

2 Maxspect Ethereal would be a good option for your budget. You can add another at a later date if you're into blasting more light.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

No it doesn't. All it says if you have a high conversion factor is that the light pushes more green spectrum than another. Lux is how the human eye sees light. Nothing more and nothing less. That has no bearing whatsoever on what the coral takes in.

your wrong. sorry man. but your also right. and yea the worse the conversion the worse the the light. you basically agreed with me while you disagreed.
a par meter s nothing more than a fancy lux meter. and that said a par or lux has the same little do do with what the coral takes in.

and again, thake one good MH and you x amount of lux AND par, add another and you get XX, Its why the two are linear. ad a sweet led w a ton o par and low lux and yea its likely the lux meter wont move much but the par meter will.
but again its because it does have a lower lux par conversion.
the horse is still dead here. and gone off track of the OP thread intent.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Certainly a worthy cause there as quality PAR meters are cost prohibitively and still have issues too. If possible.

its a cheap rough way to decide on a fixture. and set lights. It demystifies lighting and is a good way keep the hobby accessible to anyone. You dont NEED a monster skimmer, A controller a Hanna tester, Or an Orphek or ATI. You also dont NEED a Par meter.

Its also how I fell in lve w the AP700. Keep in mind I meter a LOT of lights not just reef ones. SO for me to be impressed by anything is pretty rare. the spread on that thing is mind blowing. but I wouldn't buy it for a 3 foot deep tank. not enough punch. the new maxspect yea, more punch. radion too.

 

[Iiismet]

Thank you guys, looks like I'm going with the AP700

 

[simo]

What kind of fixture is that?

What u mean by that?

 

[mcarroll]

What u mean by that?

Like who makes it? Looks like it's got reflectors.

Just curious! :)

 

[simo]

Like who makes it? Looks like it's got reflectors.

Just curious! :)

Cree

 

[simo]

Cree

 

[simo]

Cree

Very strong par

 

[simo]

its a cheap rough way to decide on a fixture. and set lights. It demystifies lighting and is a good way keep the hobby accessible to anyone. You dont NEED a monster skimmer, A controller a Hanna tester, Or an Orphek or ATI. You also dont NEED a Par meter.

Its also how I fell in lve w the AP700. Keep in mind I meter a LOT of lights not just reef ones. SO for me to be impressed by anything is pretty rare. the spread on that thing is mind blowing. but I wouldn't buy it for a 3 foot deep tank. not enough punch. the new maxspect yea, more punch. radion too.

What about 2 foot deep ok?

 

[mcarroll]

Kessil makes models with stronger lenses (or a lens kit for the AP700) if you wanted to use them on deeper tanks.

2¢

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

What about 2 foot deep ok?

the ap? yes. the one you have I dont know.

 

[bif24701]

Thank you guys, looks like I'm going with the AP700

You will be extremely satisfied with the performance, spread and colors.

 

[bif24701]

its a cheap rough way to decide on a fixture. and set lights. It demystifies lighting and is a good way keep the hobby accessible to anyone. You dont NEED a monster skimmer, A controller a Hanna tester, Or an Orphek or ATI. You also dont NEED a Par meter.

Its also how I fell in lve w the AP700. Keep in mind I meter a LOT of lights not just reef ones. SO for me to be impressed by anything is pretty rare. the spread on that thing is mind blowing. but I wouldn't buy it for a 3 foot deep tank. not enough punch. the new maxspect yea, more punch. radion too.

The spread also sold me as well. I have a 6'x24'x24' 180 and the AP700 is basically ideal for this size profile. I would have needed thee or more of the other fixtures for the same coverage thus spending more money. Also love the way Kessil dose their lights with the Kessil Logic and Dense Matrix array.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

The spread also sold me as well. I have a 6'x24'x24' 180 and the AP700 is basically ideal for this size profile. I would have needed thee or more of the other fixtures for the same coverage thus spending more money. Also love the way Kessil dose their lights with the Kessil Logic and Dense Matrix array.

It does bug me they don't provide data.
It was pretty awkward at macna for that but the dude was cool.

 

[bif24701]

What about 2 foot deep ok?

Ideal!

 

[bif24701]

It does bug me they don't provide data.
It was pretty awkward at macna for that but the dude was cool.

It's proprietary. I feel they see it like comparing apples to oranges and I think there is something to that. As we all know Kessils seem to test low but the results say something different.

 

[bif24701]

its a cheap rough way to decide on a fixture. and set lights. It demystifies lighting and is a good way keep the hobby accessible to anyone. You dont NEED a monster skimmer, A controller a Hanna tester, Or an Orphek or ATI. You also dont NEED a Par meter.

Its also how I fell in lve w the AP700. Keep in mind I meter a LOT of lights not just reef ones. SO for me to be impressed by anything is pretty rare. the spread on that thing is mind blowing. but I wouldn't buy it for a 3 foot deep tank. not enough punch. the new maxspect yea, more punch. radion too.

Kessil says the lights will work for 24"-30" deep. If you had a deeper tank then you would just have to squeeze in more fixtures.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

It's proprietary.

Telling me how much par I can get at 12in isn proprietary IMO.
IMO its worse to be misleading than slightly wrong.
They may as well say "Its a LIght For Coral! and its shimmerey!"
Oh, thats what they do.
Thus my surprise at being impressed by the light. FWIW I will probably not buy a kessil because of this. And many manufacturers also dance around the issue.

Kessil says the lights will work for 24"-30" deep

IT will and this is why. Many coral will grow between 20 and 800 par. Wanna see my xenia? its out of the water AND growing under a shelf in the shadows. Some palys too.
you only have to use more fixtures if your actually paying attention to how much light you have and need or want.