New fish quarantine API general cure directions?

[vetteguy53081]

@Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081

Here is the calculator

Im familiar with this calculator. More than once Ive done tests with recommended drops versus Hanna test kit and found numbers off by as much as 2 points. Im not willing to take risk with calculator.

 

[Arose231]

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Im familiar with this calculator. More than once Ive done tests with recommended drops versus Hanna test kit and found numbers off by as much as 2 points. Im not willing to take risk with calculator.

what do you recommend doing then @vetteguy53081

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

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what do you recommend doing then @vetteguy53081

The best way to dose is to calculate a 50% dose for the tank, add that amount, allow it to circulate well for a couple of hours and then test with a Hanna LR meter. From that reading, calculate how much more you will need to add to reach 2.25 ppm and add half that amount. Allow that to mix and retest. Add the third and final dose base on that reading. then, retest 24 hours later for any fine adjustments.

I see in your first example, that AI was skimming the Internet and picked up that "take 3 to 5 days" to ramp up slowly garbage. Velvet can kill fish in three days, there is zero need to ramp up slowly. Indeed, retailers put fish straight into coppersafe or copper power all of the time with no issues.

 

[Arose231]

@Jay Hemdal should I remove some of the live rock as it is absorbing some of the copper. right now I had it at 1.05 ppm in the morning . Added about 5 to 10ML some more copper later and it is still the same 1.05ppm. Should I wait till morning or get to 1.5ppm therapeutic now

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

@Jay Hemdal should I remove some of the live rock as it is absorbing some of the copper. right now I had it at 1.05 ppm in the morning . Added about 5 to 10ML some more copper later and it is still the same 1.05ppm. Should I wait till morning or get to 1.5ppm therapeutic now

Sorry - I was offline for the night. What is the copper level this morning?

 

[Arose231]

Sorry - I was offline for the night. What is the copper level this morning?

@Jay Hemdal do you recommend do Hyposalinity and remove the copper with cupri sorb or is hypo too risky to work and continue the copper treatment

 

[Arose231]

Sorry - I was offline for the night. What is the copper level this morning?

Copper level is at 1.06 it was 1.04 last night the live rock is making it difficult to have consistent levels @Jay Hemdal

 

[Arose231]

@Jay Hemdal removing 25% of the live rock should. There is little to to no sand in both the tanks either

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

@Jay Hemdal removing 25% of the live rock should. There is little to to no sand in both the tanks either

How much rock is actually in this tank, can you post a picture?

 

[Arose231]

How much rock is actually in this tank, can you post a picture?

@Jay Hemdal here is the rock work.

 

[Arose231]

@Jay Hemdal i know there is ich in the tank but from my experience after dosing api general cure last night my pufferfish has gotten a lot calmer and breathing better. I know ich is in the tank but I'm starting to get concerned its still mainly the flukes that have been causing more issues then the ich.. should i do another course of general cure then after 48 hours then another a week later

 

[Arose231]

@Jay Hemdal just look at the difference general cure made here is what the puffer looks like before and after general cure. Your thoughts?

1st video on left was yesterday 2nd video on right is today.

 

[Arose231]

@Jay Hemdal question i am planing to do 3 total water changes throughout the 30 day copper course how would you exactly measure how much copper to put in the new diluted saltwater?

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

@Jay Hemdal question i am planing to do 3 total water changes throughout the 30 day copper course how would you exactly measure how much copper to put in the new diluted saltwater?

The best way is to mix up new seawater in amounts that are easy to dose - for example, for Coppersafe, the dose is 5 ml per 4 US gallons. If you make up 8 gallons of water, you would dose 10 ml. The key here is to use an accurate dosing mechanism - a pipette for example. Even a kid's medicine spoon would be more accurate than the "teaspoon" they suggest on the product label. Then, just to be certain you got the dose correct, let it mix and then test the new water. After that checks out, you can use it to do the water change.

 

[Arose231]

@Jay Hemdal am currently on day 3 at 1.85ppm copper power. After day 14 could do the tank transfer to a sterile 40 gallon qt an keep them in there for 3 weeks no copper and put them back in the display earlier again since the copper is technically still running in the display the ich will die around the 30 day threshold with no fish in tank.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

@Jay Hemdal am currently on day 3 at 1.85ppm copper power. After day 14 could do the tank transfer to a sterile 40 gallon qt an keep them in there for 3 weeks no copper and put them back in the display earlier again since the copper is technically still running in the display the ich will die around the 30 day threshold with no fish in tank.

Copper Power has a pretty sharp demarcation at 2ppm. Below that, it just doesn’t control disease very well. You need to shoot for 2.25 ppm. That way, it’s easier to stay in the range of 2 to 2.5. Some people will emphatically say that if you ever drop below 2, you need to restart the whole treatment. That isn’t always true if you drop down for a day or so….

I’m not sure about moving the fish that soon, I’ve never tried that because it sounds risky in terms of letting some ich get through. Why not leave them in place?

 

[Arose231]

Copper Power has a pretty sharp demarcation at 2ppm. Below that, it just doesn’t control disease very well. You need to shoot for 2.25 ppm. That way, it’s easier to stay in the range of 2 to 2.5. Some people will emphatically say that if you ever drop below 2, you need to restart the whole treatment. That isn’t always true if you drop down for a day or so….

I’m not sure about moving the fish that soon, I’ve never tried that because it sounds risky in terms of letting some ich get through. Why not leave them in place?

@Jay Hemdal unfortunately because of the live rock in the tank which I removed about 25% of to help with stability going to 2.0 is too risky with the leaching and having the eel and puffer. Keeping at 1.90ppm will be a better common ground as if it does leach it will be around the 2.0 mark.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

@Jay Hemdal unfortunately because of the live rock in the tank which I removed about 25% of to help with stability going to 2.0 is too risky with the leaching and having the eel and puffer. Keeping at 1.90ppm will be a better common ground as if it does leach it will be around the 2.0 mark.

I just don’t think it will be effective though, it doesn’t seem to be a sliding scale, where 1.9 would be 95% as effective as 2, but rather, when you hit the minimum, efficacy drops substantially.

Puffers are fine with copper power. The eel might go off feed, but hunger strikes with a healthy eel are not a big deal.

 

[Arose231]

I just don’t think it will be effective though, it doesn’t seem to be a sliding scale, where 1.9 would be 95% as effective as 2, but rather, when you hit the minimum, efficacy drops substantially.

Puffers are fine with copper power. The eel might go off feed, but hunger strikes with a healthy eel are not a big deal.

@Jay Hemdal with the uv sterlizer running 24/7 as well killing some of the parasites it should still be effective. BRSTV says the minimum range is 1.5 and not to go under that. Some other people have done 1.75ppm copper power and it has worked for them as well

 

[Arose231]

@Jay Hemdal so let’s say keep it at 2.1 it would still drop when the live rock absorbs some and if went up from releasing it would be around 2.3 something