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I have a 6 inch black tang. Got him in October, went thru two weeks of copper power at 2.4, 2 rounds of prazi pro a week apart at 2.5 mg/l dose.

Fans word, the last couple weeks he has more or less white splotches on him. Looks like a patchy residue on the body, best way I can describe it is when you wash your car and let it air dry, you see white streaks behind.

The last couple weeks he is also swimming into the lower head. It’s an mp60 at 50 percent speed, and he literally gets in front of it and charges it head on until he’s about a 1/2 inch from it and it blows him back, and then he will repeat. He will do this for 10-15 minutes, swim away from it under the rocks , then return after about 10 minutes to the power head.

There’s a hippo tang in here with no signs of white spots , with etc.

Being this is a fish only, 5 days ago I dosed in copper power to 2.5, but with rocks in there I’m sure it’s dropped. No improvement after a few days of copper.

The other odd tendency in the tang will sometimes go up high in the corners and just stay pretty still. An emperor angel, about 1/3 his size, looks likes helping or plucking at the tangs body. Like the emperor will come up to him side way, look for a few seconds at the body, then take a nip, sorta like when a new finicky fish eyes up a clam befor taking a hit at it. The tang will allow these “nips” 2-3 times before swimming away from the emperor. Almost like there’s something’s edible on the tangs body.

Thinking Gil flukes, i dosed prazi in the display. Been about two hours and he’s still making his charges at the power head. I also have not see flukes fly off the body when dosed, then again maybe Gil flukes are too small to see.


Removing fish is not an option. Last time I tried this I lost a bunch of fish with the transfer, and there’s 14-16 other fish in this tank that don’t seem bothered or has same symptoms.

Fish still eats, and it’s been a few weeks, so i don’t believe it’s velvet.

I had an Achilles tang die a week ago with similar behavior (black bodied fish, easy to see) along with a 4-5 other fish including a watanabe angel, a blue face angel and an oreni tile fish. Those fish looked great and ate day before death. Most had been with me at least 6-7 months.

Lastly, approximately 4 feet away from this tank is a smaller tank, 4 foot frag tank that use for small fish. Houses a smaller Achilles, regal angel, joculator angel, chaoti leopard wrasse and some clownfish. They were all qtd the same way as the black tang, and look fine in that tank, no issues (knock on wood) that I can see. Both these tank were revamped last summer, bleached out and started over, and fish from both tanks go thru the same mess, mostly at the Same time, just get divided up when it comes time to tank placement

Any advice would be appreciated
 

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I have a 6 inch black tang. Got him in October, went thru two weeks of copper power at 2.4, 2 rounds of prazi pro a week apart at 2.5 mg/l dose.

Fans word, the last couple weeks he has more or less white splotches on him. Looks like a patchy residue on the body, best way I can describe it is when you wash your car and let it air dry, you see white streaks behind.

The last couple weeks he is also swimming into the lower head. It’s an mp60 at 50 percent speed, and he literally gets in front of it and charges it head on until he’s about a 1/2 inch from it and it blows him back, and then he will repeat. He will do this for 10-15 minutes, swim away from it under the rocks , then return after about 10 minutes to the power head.

There’s a hippo tang in here with no signs of white spots , with etc.

Being this is a fish only, 5 days ago I dosed in copper power to 2.5, but with rocks in there I’m sure it’s dropped. No improvement after a few days of copper.

The other odd tendency in the tang will sometimes go up high in the corners and just stay pretty still. An emperor angel, about 1/3 his size, looks likes helping or plucking at the tangs body. Like the emperor will come up to him side way, look for a few seconds at the body, then take a nip, sorta like when a new finicky fish eyes up a clam befor taking a hit at it. The tang will allow these “nips” 2-3 times before swimming away from the emperor. Almost like there’s something’s edible on the tangs body.

Thinking Gil flukes, i dosed prazi in the display. Been about two hours and he’s still making his charges at the power head. I also have not see flukes fly off the body when dosed, then again maybe Gil flukes are too small to see.


Removing fish is not an option. Last time I tried this I lost a bunch of fish with the transfer, and there’s 14-16 other fish in this tank that don’t seem bothered or has same symptoms.

Fish still eats, and it’s been a few weeks, so i don’t believe it’s velvet.

I had an Achilles tang die a week ago with similar behavior (black bodied fish, easy to see) along with a 4-5 other fish including a watanabe angel, a blue face angel and an oreni tile fish. Those fish looked great and ate day before death. Most had been with me at least 6-7 months.

Lastly, approximately 4 feet away from this tank is a smaller tank, 4 foot frag tank that use for small fish. Houses a smaller Achilles, regal angel, joculator angel, chaoti leopard wrasse and some clownfish. They were all qtd the same way as the black tang, and look fine in that tank, no issues (knock on wood) that I can see. Both these tank were revamped last summer, bleached out and started over, and fish from both tanks go thru the same mess, mostly at the Same time, just get divided up when it comes time to tank placement

Any advice would be appreciated

It does sound like flukes. Juvenile angels are facultative cleaner fish, so that activity makes sense if it were flukes. Of the three groups of flukes that infect marine aquarium fish, only one (Neobenedenia) is large enough to see without a micrscope.

A single dose of prazi won't result in improved symptoms, in fact, the symptoms may get worse right after the dose - as the flukes fall off, leaving holes in the fish's body. then, multiple treatment are required to control egg laying flukes. Here is an article I posted for dosing prazi:


Another option that works well would be hyposalinity:

 
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Would the swinming into the power head on and off in intervals be consistent with flukes?

Or the white residual splotches on the body of a black fish?
 

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Yes, your Tang will do that. If he is scratching on rocks that is also a sign. The problem with Prazi is as Prazi consuming bacteria ramps up it becomes ineffective. That is an expensive fish so I would make plans to remove him maybe after lights out and you also have to deal with all your others. Even though they are not showing symptoms yet, rest assured some will have Flukes.
 
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All of these fish prior to intro were given two rounds of prazi in qt. So if I take him out, what’s different this time with treatment? I’m glad it’s flukes and not something else, but beleibebut or not, the display is newer that my qt. The display was reset in September, where my qt system has been going for 3-4 years now
 

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A QT Tank is much easier to manage that a large DT. Unfortunately, there is no method to measure Prazi Levels unlike Copper to determine if it's effective. The Rock and Biofilter may remove the Prazi so fast it has no time to work. Using a bare QT Tank, the Water and the Filter can be changed so the Prazi is more effective. If I had to guess, there was some breakdown in Biosecurity or one of your Fish was not clean after 2 rounds.
 
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It does sound like flukes. Juvenile angels are facultative cleaner fish, so that activity makes sense if it were flukes. Of the three groups of flukes that infect marine aquarium fish, only one (Neobenedenia) is large enough to see without a micrscope.

A single dose of prazi won't result in improved symptoms, in fact, the symptoms may get worse right after the dose - as the flukes fall off, leaving holes in the fish's body. then, multiple treatment are required to control egg laying flukes. Here is an article I posted for dosing prazi:


Another option that works well would be hyposalinity:

And in your opinion, would Gil flukes, if indeed that’s what I’m dealing with, explain the recent fish deaths? Or are they more of a irritant and less of a killer like velvet or uronema
 

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And in your opinion, would Gil flukes, if indeed that’s what I’m dealing with, explain the recent fish deaths? Or are they more of a irritant and less of a killer like velvet or uronema

For certain this isn't Uronema. It isn't acting like Velvet (Amyloodinium). However, death from flukes tend to not be clustered - they are usually one every day or so over weeks.
 

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