Saltmix Parameters bring on the test results

[hawkinsrgk]

Thank you for bumping this thread. I was surprised that manganese was so high in the IO mix

 

[jason2459]

It could vary from batch to batch and the results may not be 100% accurate but certainly something close enough to expect.


Looks like I need to buy some more DI. I'll get this started again after I get some more in.

Edit: except maybe Si. I seem to have very high Si in my water supply and even when reading 0 TDS when my DI is close to exhausting my Si starts rising. My sponges are happy when that happens. But for this testing I do make sure my DI is fresh.

 

[Big E]

Thank you for bumping this thread. I was surprised that manganese was so high in the IO mix

From what I have been tracking Mn is high in the majority of salt brand mixes. Triton's results have also been shown to read almost 400% high per a known standard that was tested.

http://packedhead.net/2015/triton-lab-icp-oes-testing-of-a-certified-artificial-saltwater-standard/

From the article linked above----

" The manganese value (see Table 1) in the standard is 10.3 µg/l, and the average of the three measurements performed by Triton Lab of this reference standard is 50.88 µg/l, with a 95% chance that any measurement of manganese will fall between 50.66 and 51.10 µg/l, again based on the distribution of the three replicates. In relative terms, the Triton test returned a result for manganese inaccurate by (difference between known and measured values, divided by the known value) 396.42%."

 

[hawkinsrgk]

Thank you Big E and also thank you for all of the information that you have shared on ATI T5 bulb combinations.

If I am understanding correctly, if the Triton is off by 400% for Mn, how can we trust other values for trace elements?

 

[jason2459]

Thank you Big E and also thank you for all of the information that you have shared on ATI T5 bulb combinations.

If I am understanding correctly, if the Triton is off by 400% for Mn, how can we trust other values for trace elements?

Depends on how much you want to trust it. I wouldn't trust it to dose anything based on a single result. It's much better utilized as a long term trend analysis.

http://packedhead.net/2015/triton-lab-icp-oes-testing-of-a-certified-artificial-saltwater-standard/

http://www.reefedition.com/my-triton-testing-results-by-randy-holmes-farley/

 

[Big E]

Thank you Big E and also thank you for all of the information that you have shared on ATI T5 bulb combinations.

If I am understanding correctly, if the Triton is off by 400% for Mn, how can we trust other values for trace elements?

I agree with what Jason said above, that the whole battery of tests are useful as a trend analysis. I wouldn't dose some of those trace elements based on some of the inaccuracies unless verified with another independent source.

Fauna Marin is doing these all in one tests as well but I have no info on them being available in the states yet.

I picked up a suggestion to this company from another forum, I have no info other than the link--
http://enclabs.com/index.html

 

[Kungpaoshizi]

Here's some of mine, though I believe the only true admissible one is the RSCP. (the fluval was the one with the pump I discovered was rusty; the first fluval was 1.023-24 iirc, been awhile) I also suspected the manganese in the fluval was the cause of corals having reduced polyp extension, though it was speculation.

Fluval1:



Fluval 1.025:



RSCP 1.025:

 

[jason2459]

Cool thanks.

 

[jason2459]

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Aquaforest Reef Salt.

This is not the probiotic version. I looked at their parameters as posted by aquaforest and looked pretty similar between the main 3 Alk, Ca, and Mg. Triton and I are not going to be able to test for those organics and figured its not worth the time or money to test both versions. I did get the basic marine salt and will do that one next.

There is listed slightly more Iron in the non-probiotic version which I would figure it would be the other way around as some microbes to uptake Fe. The Probiotic version includes Br but this version says it does NOT. We'll see

It came with this little sheet

Description on their site:
Designed for aquariums with more demanding SPS and LPS corals. It does not contain bromides and can be used with the assisted by ozone filtration. It does not contain any probiotic bacteria or growth media. Phosphate and nitrate free. Upon filling new marine tanks it is recommended to let animals in not earlier than after 10-14 days.

And their website gives these ranges

Looks like you need to read between some lines for aquaforest. The parameters listed and QC tested look to be for 33ppt.

Also, just noticed the bucket says Low Bromide and their site description says no bromide. Will find out soon enough with in Triton's LOD.

At a high 35ppt
Salifert Ca: 475
Salifert Alk: 8.6
Salifert Mg: 1590

Doing this one again. Triton had some technical issues when I sent this one in annd they sent me back a new envelope to send in a new sample.

I have mixed it up to possibly a hair under 35ppt but I'm happy with the numbers tested and lines up with previous tests listed above and lines up with the line looking a hair under 35ppt this time.

Ca: 450
Alk: 8.16
Mg: 1560

Looking forward to seeing what their definition of low Br is.

 

[jason2459]

Doesn't look like low Br to me. Not significantly lower then any other saltmix

There's an issue with me getting on their website right now on my phone so took some pictures from my laptop screen.

 

[jason2459]

Will update the first post with this updated spreadsheet.

 

[jason2459]

Dolphin browser is working

 

[jason2459]

S is very low and Ba is very high.

 

[gettaReef]

Hi there, thank you for doing all of this, and for sharing your results! It has been very interesting and super helpful to me, and many others I'm sure.
I was wondering if you've had the chance (or plan to in the future) to test out Fritz salt mix? If you have already and posted the results, forgive me, I am being lazy and figured I'd just ask. Thank you again!

 

[jason2459]

Hi there, thank you for doing all of this, and for sharing your results! It has been very interesting and super helpful to me, and many others I'm sure.
I was wondering if you've had the chance (or plan to in the future) to test out Fritz salt mix? If you have already and posted the results, forgive me, I am being lazy and figured I'd just ask. Thank you again!

I haven't done Fritz yet. Eventually, if I can find it, I probably will. Up coming will be Aquaforest Probiotic, Red Sea Coral Pro, and Coralife.

 

[jason2459]

Speaking of which...

Aquaforest Probiotic Reef Salt

Supposed to be QC'd to

Keep in mind those are at 33ppt.

Tried to match the salinity mark I had for the Reef blend to get as close of a comparison as I could between the two.

So, at a low 35ppt
Ca: 420
Alk: 7.04
Mg: 1485

 

[jason2459]

Hi there, thank you for doing all of this, and for sharing your results! It has been very interesting and super helpful to me, and many others I'm sure.
I was wondering if you've had the chance (or plan to in the future) to test out Fritz salt mix? If you have already and posted the results, forgive me, I am being lazy and figured I'd just ask. Thank you again!

I haven't done Fritz yet. Eventually, if I can find it, I probably will. Up coming will be Aquaforest Probiotic, Red Sea Coral Pro, and Coralife.

FYI there are two results under the Ca/Alk/Mg only results submitted by others updated on the first page of this thread.

 

[dragon99]

Are you tracking how much salt (by weight) each brand takes to reach 35ppt? I'm curious if there's much variation between brands and if the claimed gal per box/bucket is accurate.

 

[jason2459]

Are you tracking how much salt (by weight) each brand takes to reach 35ppt? I'm curious if there's much variation between brands and if the claimed gal per box/bucket is accurate.

They've all been around 45-47g/L to mix to ~35ppt

 

[Kungpaoshizi]

The above tests are Aquaforest? Curious to see the Sulphur/moly/barium that off from setpoint.. I believe that limited amount of Sulphur would surely hinder anaerobic denitrification?