This is your biggest problem....

Discussion in 'Reef Aquarium Discussion' started by revhtree, May 15, 2019.

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  1. Yes and I’ll tell you what it is....

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  2. Nope no big issues...

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  3. Nothing big just small things...

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  1. Sarah24!

    Sarah24! Valuable Member R2R Secret Santa

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    Hello,

    I think for me is, and currently going through it, is how a fish disease gets into my tank when I haven’t added new fish. Come to find out (now) maybe I was too narrow minded, but anything wet can introduce a fish disease. Which kinda takes the fun out since everything is suppose to be wet.

    It’s easy for most to say catch the fish and qt them. It’s not as easy as it sounds when you actually glued your rocks into place and the coral has grown all over them. Yet for some strange reason we have all this amazing technology, but in theory we still can not treat ick or velvet in the display tank.

    Not to mention (yes I run two uv steralizers), and from the get go almost 19 months into this tank and no disease. Then suddenly poof I have either ick or marine velvet. Now they both have some similar symptoms, and yes I want to treat them. Except in Boise which half a million by now, no lfs carries or sells a fish trap. Not one store carries any of the actual (in theory reef safe treatment).

    Yet this entire time of 18 months give or take, I have not added any fish into my system for this reason alone. Yet it’s amazing how some say you can eradicate ick etc some say you can simply control it etc. I’m curious as to why (other than copper) which isn’t reef safe)) why we still simple do not have an upper hand and or understanding exactly everything there is about ick or marine velvet etc.

    What does happens in the ocean? I guess it’s simikar to red tide but it’s amazing how we have not developed something that fish can digest that can repell and heal fish from these types of parasites.

    As I have read who knows how many pages now, it’s frustrating when there is no definitive solution. Everyone says well qt! Well all my fish were in a qt and I had zero issues for 18 months, and I haven’t added any new fish at all. (Sorry 8 months ago roughly), I added a golden head goby. What’s even worse is the few fish that I have that are aka super keen to getting diseases are the ones that so far have still no issues where as I have two mainly that show sigsns of ick. Yet speaking with some others I don’t know if it’s ick or velvet. It’s to the point I can still count the dots on the fish and they eat like crazy.

    But again (side note those who have helped me here and reached out as made it easier and forever in debt), if fish bans actually take affect world wide, what is one to do if this happens? It’s annoying that for example marine depot sells some reef safe ick treatment. But, they are not scientific proven to actually work. Plus I treat my fish and corals like children (as if I have kids) they mean the world to me. But it doesn’t make much sense to rip the tank down to catch the fish when it’s a 50/50 shot even if caught early. Yes there are success stories but it just kinda is not right that some have to weigh the options. Risk losing fish, try and save fish stress out more when catching, 50/50 shot they survive and if it’s velvet more like 80/20. As to let’s stress the corals also and get the sps to rtn etc or kill them off also some how by trying to save the fish. Wouldn’t life be so much better if a company actually made a reef safe that is proven to work more than 50% medication for ick and velvet and brook? I mean why stop there let’s add flukes and everything else.

    It’s frustrating (sorry for the vent) when yes I paid extra for my lfs to keep my fish in qt with copper. (They are reliable, I can’t blame them almost 2 years later). I added them in sections within weeks of each other and yes I use uv steralizers, I use garlic guard. I do what it takes to feed them daily and make sure they are healthy. Then suddenly there is an ick break out or worse it’s marine velvet, and the only changes is I added coral from my lfs. Which all of them have fish and corals separate, there are no fish in any of the tanks you can buy coral out of. Which makes really stumble how there was an outbreak. Since all I have done is add a few very small corals, and everything else has stayed the same.

    So my frustration is that we have all this technology and science to Grow coral and keep fish. Yet we still haven’t come up with something to eradicate these two parasites and or at least be able to treat them with great success in the display tank.
     
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  2. CeeGee

    CeeGee Active Member MTRCMember

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    The simple fact that this hobby has become the rich boys club.
     
  3. CeeGee

    CeeGee Active Member MTRCMember

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    Double posted when I logged in. No telling how much this will cost me. :)
     
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  4. Ferrell

    Ferrell Valuable Member R2R Supporter Partner Member 2019 Reef Tank 365 Build Thread Contributor

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    To piggyback and hopefully contribute to your post ...all the toxins the Asian Continental population and industrial explosion is dumping into the air and oceans but meanwhile 7000 miles away cow farts are becoming illegal because they’ll destroy the planet, battery powered vehicles are supposed to save the planet, wind farms are killing birds, save the whatever group is marching in whatever city and my biggest problem is I can’t seem to get enough frags for my tank
     
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    Only if you let it. It’s also never been cheaper to get quality gear and big livestock if you don’t go for stupid brand name shrooms or sps.
     
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  6. mta_morrow

    mta_morrow It costs HOW much?!!! R2R Supporter R2R Excellence Award Reef Squad Reef Tank 365 SCAA Member Hospitality Award Build Thread Contributor

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    LOL!
     
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    Copper! Been battling it for a couple years now and have yet to pinpoint the source. Decimated my 'SPS' and, by now, probably has rendered all my live rock unusable in any new build.
     
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    I just paid $6 for a zoa frag with 5 heads that would’ve cost me $600 online. Or more. I live in a big city so there’s competition. I think if this hobby grows bigger, competition will lower prices.
     
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    The simple fact is, it was already in your system or introduced somehow. Fish in the ocean live with it and their immune systems allow them to coexist. What happens is either the infestation grows and isn’t controlled (some creatures eat those Protozoa) or your fish get weak and then become compromised.

    It’s my opinion that fish in the ocean thrive because there’s a whole ecosystem that help to keep every organism in check. In our tanks, we have much fewer organisms to keep each other in check. Bottom line is: yes, this is extremely frustrating. I agree with you 100%
     
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  10. blitzkragz

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    Getting small fish that have stopped eating or had never eaten to eat.

    Over the last few months I have been QTing batches of fish for my display tank. Every batch has had a few that simply stop or had always refused to eat -- mysis, flake, pellet, I felt like I tried everything. The biggest offenders being threadfin cardinalfish, I lost maybe a dozen that never ate or over time stopped eating and would just wither away no matter what I tried.

    I recently discovered that if I hatch live baby brine shrimp, they would actually take some interest, but there is little to no nutrition in that and is unsustainable.

    I currently have a Rainford's Goby, Yellow Clown Goby, and two Threadfin Cardinalfish that made it through copper QT but are in a "purgatory" tank because they take no interest in anything at all (other than baby brine). I just don't think they can live on that for long, and I won't release them to the DT until they at least take mysis.
     
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    It’s blood worms for me too. It somehow evolved to all frozen fish food and most pellets and flake too. Which is so strange because I’m not allergic to anything else. Never heard of anyone else w. Bloodwork allergy
     
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    siggy The more I learn the dumber I become R2R Supporter R2R Excellence Award Partner Member 2019 R2R Secret Santa Article Contributor Build Thread Contributor

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    Time & energy
     
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  13. mta_morrow

    mta_morrow It costs HOW much?!!! R2R Supporter R2R Excellence Award Reef Squad Reef Tank 365 SCAA Member Hospitality Award Build Thread Contributor

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    Guess your gonna be hurting with that new tank!
     
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    WVNed The fish are staring at me with hungry eyes. R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    My biggest problem is time is stomping all over me.

    Will not comply.
     
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    Not having room for an ATO in my stand is my biggest problem. I have to top off by hand everyday. If I forget I'll be driving the next day and have a "OH CRAP!!" moment and hope theres enough water to where the pump doesn't go dry.

    The second biggest problem is the perceived cost of owning a tank. I think some of the higher end brands get pushed so hard that people think it is the "only" option out there. It takes some digging and searching but finding quality products from non household names can be done, and great tanks can be had from them. Not everyone can afford a Red Sea or Waterbox set up.
     
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    My biggest problem is

    A LACK OF SELF CONTROL

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    No experience as a hands on plumber, not even an apprenticeship, same for carpenter to build a nice cabinet for my apex system, I see so many nice builds - a lot of talent out there, congrats to the guys and I'm hoping a few gals who are in this hobby. I wish we could do a "home depot" style of webinar that could do a demonstration. getting over the fear is the worst.
     
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    Currently, the only problem I face is cloudy/milky water. Comes for a few days, then goes away for a day or 2 and again coming back. Cant find what is causing it.
     
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    I built a very nice stand out of old piano wood. Made of oak and ash with mortise and tenon joints. Strong, stable and it looks nice. Unfortunately it has a wood-boring beetle infestation! My whole house needs tenting but I don't know how to accomplish that without killing the tank and the bug company was no help. I've also got 3 cats, 2 dogs and another fw/planted tank to complicate things.

    Of all the options I've considered selling all livestock, probably the rock and sand and starting over is the most cost effective and merciful to the livestock method. Even that would cost a grand or two and a couple years time. [​IMG]
     
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    Fotocha I have nightmares of jumping fish R2R Supporter CTARS Member Build Thread Contributor

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