Torch head after head keeps dying

Letterkenny · Dec 15, 2020

I have recently lost 10 heads of torches recently. All one by one and not at the same time. They all had very healthy flesh and then all of a sudden it starts peeling off and then it dies. For the first couple heads, there is no sign of BJD but later heads I noticed what appears to be BJD. I currently have 1 head of a three head gold torch being the next ticked off one that is starting to show some flesh peeling off. Any ideas how to stop the carnage?? It’s odd because they were all very happy with thick flesh around the heads and they have been going one by one by one.

Alk: 8.5
Calc: 480
Mag: 1400
NO3: 5-10ppm
PO4: 0.05-08

tnewell · Dec 15, 2020

Letterkenny said:
I have recently lost 10 heads of torches recently. All one by one and not at the same time. They all had very healthy flesh and then all of a sudden it starts peeling off and then it dies. For the first couple heads, there is no sign of BJD but later heads I noticed what appears to be BJD. I currently have 1 head of a three head gold torch being the next ticked off one that is starting to show some flesh peeling off. Any ideas how to stop the carnage?? It’s odd because they were all very happy with thick flesh around the heads and they have been going one by one by one.

Alk: 8.5
Calc: 480
Mag: 1400
NO3: 5-10ppm
PO4: 0.05-08

Dip all remaining euphyllia in iodine dip. Then revive dip. Then pray for a recovery.

fishguy242 · Dec 15, 2020

hi,also try to keep as far away from each other,even if means fragging,remember to rinse in bowl of tank water after dip before replacing.best wishes

Letterkenny · Dec 15, 2020

Any ideas the cause? I did an iodine dip earlier on one of the corals and that just expedited the process. I did coral RX dips all around though but nothing outside of pods came out.

fishguy242 · Dec 15, 2020

Letterkenny said:
Any ideas the cause? I did an iodine dip earlier on one of the corals and that just expedited the process. I did coral RX dips all around though but nothing outside of pods came out.

sorry no answer how,but is a bacterial infection,spreads/kills fast

tnewell · Dec 15, 2020

+1 on bacteria infection, sadly a SUPER fast killer. If bjd was ever present in your tank it will always be there, so you have to be on the cautious side. Maybe attempt more frequent water changes and pray for a better survival rate

Letterkenny · Dec 15, 2020

tnewell said:
+1 on bacteria infection, sadly a SUPER fast killer. If bjd was ever present in your tank it will always be there, so you have to be on the cautious side. Maybe attempt more frequent water changes and pray for a better survival rate

Ok will do. So if I run out of Euphyllia and go barren for a while will it be gone from the tank? Can the infection cause BJD? I’ve never had it but noticed some of it after this infection takes place. So annoying seeing the bright white heads where it just dies on me.

tnewell · Dec 15, 2020

Letterkenny said:
Ok will do. So if I run out of Euphyllia and go barren for a while will it be gone from the tank? Can the infection cause BJD? I’ve never had it but noticed some of it after this infection takes place. So annoying seeing the bright white heads where it just dies on me.

So the infection is the the aggressor, while BJD forms while the torch is aggravated from the infection and finishes the job. It’s a very aggressive disease that will kill almost everything it comes in contact with unless your quick to avoid it! If you do go barren, I suggest you wait a couple months before rebuying, cause there will always be a chance it does still “live”amongst your tank. I’m not for sure about a how long it can survive in a tank.
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is there a way to eliminate brown jelly disease?

over the last year I have lost a lot of my acans, a few torches and now my duncan colony. I dip and dip and dip, it seems to help but only for a short time. It seems that when things begin to look good all of a sudden Ill notice another one of my LPS going down hill. Anything I can do?

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Letterkenny · Dec 15, 2020

tnewell said:
So the infection is the the aggressor, while BJD forms while the torch is aggravated from the infection and finishes the job. It’s a very aggressive disease that will kill almost everything it comes in contact with unless your quick to avoid it! If you do go barren, I suggest you wait a couple months before rebuying, cause there will always be a chance it does still “live”amongst your tank. I’m not for sure about a how long it can survive in a tank.
attaching a link to another forum with similar answers so you can Compare

is there a way to eliminate brown jelly disease?

over the last year I have lost a lot of my acans, a few torches and now my duncan colony. I dip and dip and dip, it seems to help but only for a short time. It seems that when things begin to look good all of a sudden Ill notice another one of my LPS going down hill. Anything I can do?

www.reef2reef.com

We will see how it goes. I was throwing away corals before it got to the BJD stage after the first to try to contain it. Still not sure though but quite annoying that I have all parameters in check and you get this sort of die off. This happened on my last tank that I thought was due to alk swings so now I have a trident to avoid that and it still happens!

tnewell · Dec 16, 2020

Letterkenny said:
We will see how it goes. I was throwing away corals before it got to the BJD stage after the first to try to contain it. Still not sure though but quite annoying that I have all parameters in check and you get this sort of die off. This happened on my last tank that I thought was due to alk swings so now I have a trident to avoid that and it still happens!

Keep your hopes up,no gd BJD not to long ago, it formed off a Knicks torch which was damaged during shipping, then spread to some of my euphyllia. I caught it almost immediately though and dipped, and saved most of my corals. I let a month go by, doing a water change 2 times a week, and it finally got to the point where I got more euphyllia. And now I have enough euphyllia to make you dizzy LOL!! Fights never over until you say it’s over!

ApoIsland · Dec 16, 2020

Double and triple check your salinity. I had something similar happen long ago. I would lose one head and then a couple weeks later another. Kept going for a couple months. Turns out my salinity was 1.030. Corrected that and the issue never returned.

Letterkenny · Dec 16, 2020

ApoIsland said:
Double and triple check your salinity. I had something similar happen long ago. I would lose one head and then a couple weeks later another. Kept going for a couple months. Turns out my salinity was 1.030. Corrected that and the issue never returned.

Thanks will do just in case.

tnewell said:
Keep your hopes up,no gd BJD not to long ago, it formed off a Knicks torch which was damaged during shipping, then spread to some of my euphyllia. I caught it almost immediately though and dipped, and saved most of my corals. I let a month go by, doing a water change 2 times a week, and it finally got to the point where I got more euphyllia. And now I have enough euphyllia to make you dizzy LOL!! Fights never over until you say it’s over!

My only thought is that it came off of this HG torch I got really cheap for a vendor launch. It looked fairly healthy but a week after getting it I got polyp bailout or something. That started the slow die off of them that really started speeding up. The rest of my Euphyllia look healthy still so I ended up moving this one that’s dying to my other tank in hopes of saving the healthy head. Whatever this is wouldn’t effect nems right? Saying as I moved it into my nem tank.

tnewell · Dec 16, 2020

Letterkenny said:
Thanks will do just in case.

My only thought is that it came off of this HG torch I got really cheap for a vendor launch. It looked fairly healthy but a week after getting it I got polyp bailout or something. That started the slow die off of them that really started speeding up. The rest of my Euphyllia look healthy still so I ended up moving this one that’s dying to my other tank in hopes of saving the healthy head. Whatever this is wouldn’t effect nems right? Saying as I moved it into my nem tank.

Shouldn’t bother your Nems, but I think that vendor is the reason why your loosing all this money. That torch, did it bail out or did the skin flake away and eventually dissapear?

Letterkenny · Dec 16, 2020

tnewell said:
Shouldn’t bother your Nems, but I think that vendor is the reason why your loosing all this money. That torch, did it bail out or did the skin flake away and eventually dissapear?

Bail out. Was fine and had some flesh around the head and was fully open and then woke up the next day and it was gone. Took a while for the rest to go down hill.

My latest indo gold lost 1/3 heads in the new tank. Looks like head #2 will also be lost but the third looks healthy still. Quite unfortunate as this local guy I buy from has historically had good stuff.

Letterkenny · Dec 16, 2020

Here’s a photo of the current issue one after moving to my nem tank.

Letterkenny · Dec 17, 2020

So far, it seems that the third head is still doing well. Hopefully I don’t see any new corals potentially dying in the DT. Quite the sad loss but hopefully can rebuild while prices are down

jordan9095 · Dec 19, 2020

Chop that head off & do a dip. Chemiclean dip can help with bacterial infections but best to move everything into a QT tank if possible. It does eventually spread to all the euphylia in the tank. That photo looks like BJD & not polyp bailout. Polyp bailout wouldn't have leftover brown/dead flesh behind.

Letterkenny · Dec 20, 2020

jordan9095 said:
Chop that head off & do a dip. Chemiclean dip can help with bacterial infections but best to move everything into a QT tank if possible. It does eventually spread to all the euphylia in the tank. That photo looks like BJD & not polyp bailout. Polyp bailout wouldn't have leftover brown/dead flesh behind.

It’s a mix. Moved that one coral to my other tank and the last head seems okay. Today noticed one of my last torches is having polyp bailout (no BJD behind). None of the hammers are affected.