Triton Additives Concentration Values (mg/litre)

[jzw]

V - vanadium

since my icp test indicates i'm deficient on V, i'll try to perform the V concentration calcs, comparing the triton and ati products.

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my 2nd triton report says...

i need a total of 2.89 mℓ of triton V supplement

to supply my entire tank (2411.31 ℓ) with a correction of +1.20 µg/ℓ

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so i am to correct 1.20 µg/ℓ x 2411.31 ℓ (total system volume) = by adding 2,893.572 µg of V

this is the amount contained in 2.89 mℓ of the triton reagent, so its concentration is 2,893.572 µg ÷ 2.89 mℓ = 1,001.236 µg/mℓ (rounded to 1,000 µg/mℓ)

therefore, triton V has a concentration of 1,000 µg/mℓ

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regarding ati's V supplement, according to https://atiaquaristik.co.uk/shop/vanadium-100ml/, ati's product has a concentration of:

"1 ml of the supplement increases the V concentration of 100 litres to 2 µg/l"

as for the conversion, 1 mℓ contains: 100 ℓ x 2 µg/ℓ = 200 µg

therefore, ati V has a concentration of 200 µg/mℓ

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so i to correct my deficiency with ati V, i would need to add ×5 the required triton additive to achieve the same result (2.89 × 5 = 14.45 mℓ)
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the current value scorecard is:

triton V (US$29 for 100mℓ)
1,000 µg/ℓ

ati lithium (US$17 for 100mℓ)
200 µg/ℓ

even accounting for price, triton wins by more than double! (crapola, i already bought the ati, lol!)

 

[jzw]

updated:

triton iodine, 5 g/l
seachem 'reef iodine' 8 g/l
ati iodine, 10 g/l

triton strontium, 8,000 mg/l
seachem strontium, 10,000 mg/l
ati strontium, 10,000 mg/l
brightwell strontium, 30,225.71 mg/l
rfh diy (https://www.amazon.com/Science-Company®-NC-2718-Strontium-Chloride/dp/B01M1SP0DV), 131,600 mg/L

triton boron, 26,000 mg/l
brightwell boron 'borochrom', 5,671.52 mg/l
ati boron, 5,000 mg/l

triton manganese, 100,000 µg/ℓ
ati manganese, 200,000 µg/ℓ

triton lithium, 500,000 µg/ℓ
ati lithium, 1,000,000 µg/ℓ

triton vanadium, 1,000 µg/mℓ
ati vanadium, 200 µg/mℓ

 

[jzw]

Ni - nickel

@Randy Holmes-Farley, Ni prolly does nothing either? lol... but my tank is using it, or its evaporating! (n.b. triton says Ni is dangerous, so get a math overshoot on this one, that tank may be DOA)

so... since my icp test indicates i'm deficient on Ni, i'll try to perform the Ni concentration calcs, comparing the triton and ati products.

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my 2nd triton report says...

i need a total of 120.6 mℓ of triton Ni supplement

to supply my entire tank (2411.31 ℓ) with a correction of +5.00 µg/ℓ

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so i am to correct 5.00 µg/ℓ x 2411.31 ℓ (total system volume) = by adding 12,056.55 µg of Ni

this is the amount contained in 120.6 mℓ of the triton reagent, so its concentration is 12,056.55 µg ÷ 120.6 mℓ = 99.9714 µg/mℓ (rounded to 100 µg/mℓ)

therefore, triton Ni has a concentration of 100 µg/mℓ

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regarding ati's Ni supplement, according to https://atiaquaristik.co.uk/shop/nickel-100ml/, ati's product has a concentration of:

"1 ml of the supplement increases the nickel concentration of 100 litres to 2 µg/l"

as for the conversion, 1 mℓ contains: 100 ℓ x 2 µg/ℓ = 200 µg

therefore, ati Ni has a concentration of 200 µg/mℓ

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so i to correct my deficiency with ati Ni, i would need to add half the triton additive to achieve the same result (120.6 ÷ 2 = 60.3 mℓ)
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the current value scorecard is:

triton Ni (US$29 for 100mℓ)
100 µg/ℓ

ati Ni (US$17 for 100mℓ)
200 µg/ℓ

accounting for price, triton loses by more than ×3

 

[jzw]

Zn - zinc

my system definitely uses a bit of Zn (system is 5 months old, just a mixed reef of frags)

my icp test indicates i'm deficient again on Zn, so need to perform the Zn concentration calcs, comparing the triton and ati products.

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my 2nd triton report says...

i need a total of 9.65 mℓ of triton Zn supplement

to supply my entire tank (2411.31 ℓ) with a correction of +4.00 µg/ℓ

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so i am to correct 4.00 µg/ℓ x 2411.31 ℓ (total system volume) = by adding 9,645.24 µg of Zn

this is the amount contained in 9.65 mℓ of the triton reagent, so its concentration is 9,645.24 µg ÷ 9.65 mℓ = 999.5067 µg/mℓ (rounded to 1,000 µg/mℓ)

therefore, triton Zn has a concentration of 1,000 µg/mℓ

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regarding ati's Zn supplement, https://atiaquaristik.co.uk/shop/zinc-100ml/ (ati's UK distributor) states, ati's product has a concentration of:

"1 ml of the supplement increases the zinc concentration of 100 litres to 2 µg/l"

as for the conversion, 1 mℓ contains: 100 ℓ x 2 µg/ℓ = 200 µg

therefore, ati Zn has a concentration of 200 µg/mℓ

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so i to correct my deficiency with ati Ni, i would need to add ×5 the triton additive to achieve the same result (9.65 mℓ × 5 = 48.25 mℓ)
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the current value scorecard is:

triton Zn (US$29 for 100mℓ)
1,000 µg/mℓ

ati Zn (US$17 for 100mℓ)
200 µg/mℓ

even accounting for price, triton wins!

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but this will get expensive... at my personal rate of consumption, it's $10 a week just to supplement Zn, with ati or triton... any alternatives @ReefTeacher or @Randy Holmes-Farley ?

 

[jzw]

updated:

triton iodine, 5 g/l
seachem 'reef iodine' 8 g/l
ati iodine, 10 g/l

triton strontium, 8,000 mg/l
seachem strontium, 10,000 mg/l
ati strontium, 10,000 mg/l
brightwell strontium, 30,225.71 mg/l
rfh diy (https://www.amazon.com/Science-Company®-NC-2718-Strontium-Chloride/dp/B01M1SP0DV), 131,600 mg/L

triton boron, 26,000 mg/l
brightwell boron 'borochrom', 5,671.52 mg/l
ati boron, 5,000 mg/l

triton manganese, 100,000 µg/ℓ
ati manganese, 200,000 µg/ℓ

triton lithium, 500,000 µg/ℓ
ati lithium, 1,000,000 µg/ℓ

triton vanadium, 1,000 µg/mℓ
ati vanadium, 200 µg/mℓ

triton Ni, 100 µg/ℓ
ati Ni, 200 µg/ℓ

triton Zn, 1,000 µg/mℓ
ati Zn, 200 µg/mℓ

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

but this will get expensive... at my personal rate of consumption, it's $10 a week just to supplement Zn, with ati or triton... any alternatives

There are DIY for almost everything these days:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/diy-zinc-solution.374652/

 

[aumoenoav]

Have anyone done the calculations of https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/iodion-liquid-iodine-supplement-brightwell-aquatics.html for iodine?

 

[jzw]

@aumoenoav, i have not for brightwell iodine... the brs description doesn't show actual concentration, so maybe the vikings can buy one, look on the back label, and calculate? ;Cat

 

[aumoenoav]

@aumoenoav, i have not for brightwell iodine... the brs description doesn't show actual concentration, so maybe the vikings can buy one, look on the back label, and calculate? ;Cat

Im not very into US measurements, but here is the brightwell one. Maybe someone can make sense of it: Iodine (min) 88.8 mg/oz. (3,000 ppm)

 

[ScottF83]

Hello everybody

I've been visiting and re-visiting this thread multiple times over the past few weeks as I planned out my DIY recipe book

I don't need help with the maths as I've verified the results against various posts on this and other threads and everything makes sense from that perspective

What I would like to know from the chemists here, such as the wondrous @Randy Holmes-Farley, is whether I am safe to use these chemicals in the home (my safety!) and in the reef (fish and coral safety). Many thanks!

Boron - sodium tetraborate decahydrate (113 g in 1000 ml)
Bromine - sodium bromide (50 g in 1000 ml)
Iodine - sodium iodide (10 g in 1000 ml)
Lithium - lithium hydroxide (2 g in 1000 ml)
Manganese - manganese (II) chloride tetrahydrate (1 g in 1000 ml)
Molybdenum - sodium molybdate Na2MoO4*2H2O (1 g in 1000 ml)
Nickel - nickel (II) chloride hexahydrate (1 g in 1000 ml)
Potassium - potassium chloride (150 g in 1000 ml)
Strontium - strontium chloride hexahydrate (24 g in 1000 ml)
Vanadium - vanadium oxide (2 g in 1000 ml)
Coral Snow - calcium carbonate (115 g in 250 ml)

Please let me know if the above are a 'safe' list of chemicals to be using for this task

Kind regards
Scott

 

[ReefTeacher]

In terms of "safe" I would always be cautious and familiarize myself with the MSDS for any of these compounds. Heavy metals have very low level toxicity, but I work with them. I presume they will be kept safe from children, so ingestion would not be a danger; but do give that a thought if little ones are around. If you breath in the dust of heavy metal compounds, this can also lead to toxicity, I know I would be careful with Strontium, Nickel, Molybdenum and Manganese, although I do work with them regularly. Even Iron can be toxic in our bodies in excess.

If you are talking about safety for your reef, but sure to double check the concentrations when adding, I add many of the compounds you list above to my reef, but I regularly do ICP testing with Triton to see that I am not overdosing.

I have very little experience with Vanadium in the lab. This is the one supplement I bought from Triton, and did NOT make on my own. Given its deep blue color, I am guessing it is Vanadyl Sulfate not the oxide you list. (which I presume is Vanadium (V) oxide, although others exist). I have found the pure Vanadyl sulfate hard to source in a known hydration state, and very expensive if available. If you do find a good source for V2O5 do let me know, as I am interested in how it works out!

 

[ScottF83]

In terms of "safe" I would always be cautious and familiarize myself with the MSDS for any of these compounds. Heavy metals have very low level toxicity, but I work with them. I presume they will be kept safe from children, so ingestion would not be a danger; but do give that a thought if little ones are around. If you breath in the dust of heavy metal compounds, this can also lead to toxicity, I know I would be careful with Strontium, Nickel, Molybdenum and Manganese, although I do work with them regularly. Even Iron can be toxic in our bodies in excess.

If you are talking about safety for your reef, but sure to double check the concentrations when adding, I add many of the compounds you list above to my reef, but I regularly do ICP testing with Triton to see that I am not overdosing.

I have very little experience with Vanadium in the lab. This is the one supplement I bought from Triton, and did NOT make on my own. Given its deep blue color, I am guessing it is Vanadyl Sulfate not the oxide you list. (which I presume is Vanadium (V) oxide, although others exist). I have found the pure Vanadyl sulfate hard to source in a known hydration state, and very expensive if available. If you do find a good source for V2O5 do let me know, as I am interested in how it works out!

Thank you for your reply

Since my post, I've also been speaking to local reefers which lead me to looking deeper into hazard coding, precautions, LD50 tables, MSDS forms, and so on.

I've therefore revised my list slightly, going for the potassium versions of bromide and iodide and the chloride version of nickel.

Vanadium is the only tricky one! Hazard labels are definitely the most colourful out of the bunch and, to be honest, I've been scared away from it for the time being.

I'm in the UK so I probably can't help you source vanadium oxide but I did find some online suppliers for around £50 for 100g. Sulphate version seems to exist as a bodybuilding supplement, I'm not sure if it can be ground up?

Anyway, I'll post my revised list tomorrow as it's on my laptop.

My stock of branded products is still fairly sizable on current dosing levels so I'm not rushing and can make sure everything is ready at home for it (E. G. Secure jars and cupboards!)

Many thanks

 

[Fisherman Joe]

Two years later, since the last post here, this is helping me today.

In the UK I bought the Fauna Marin elements made in Germany and in some cases (Manganese) it is 4:1 more concentrated than Triton reagents PLUS you get 250ml for the same price versus Triton (100ml)

 

[jzw]

Im not very into US measurements, but here is the brightwell one. Maybe someone can make sense of it: Iodine (min) 88.8 mg/oz. (3,000 ppm)

N.B. there are at least 2 Brightwell concentrations, look at the label on YOUR bottle.


EU website label Brightwell - Iodion:
"Advanced: Determine the total iodine concentration in the aquarium using an accurate test kit before supplementing. Each ml of Iodion will increase the concentration of iodine (“”) in 1 US-gallon (3.785 L) of water by 4 ppm..."

So 1 ml raises 3.785 litres by 4ppm (or 3mg/l).
Therefore 1 ml contains 15.14mg of iodine.
And 1 litre contains 15.14 grams of iodine.


US website label - Brightwell Iodion:
"Advanced: Determine the total iodine concentration in the aquarium using an accurate test kit before supplementing. Each ml of IODION will increase the concentration of iodine ("") in 1 US-gallon (3.785 L) of water by 0.625 ppm."

So 1 ml raises 3.785 liters by 0.625ppm (or 0.625mg/l).
Therefore 1 ml contains 2.36 mg of iodine.
And 1 liter contains 2.36 grams of iodine.



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updated:

triton iodine, 5 g/l
seachem 'reef iodine' 8 g/l
ati iodine, 10 g/l
(EU) brightwell 'iodion' 15.14g/l
(US) brightwell 'iodion' 2.37g/l

triton strontium, 8,000 mg/l
seachem strontium, 10,000 mg/l
ati strontium, 10,000 mg/l
brightwell strontium, 30,225.71 mg/l
RHF diy (https://www.amazon.com/Science-Company®-NC-2718-Strontium-Chloride/dp/B01M1SP0DV), 131,600 mg/L

DIY Boron Dosing Solution

Hello Randy, I do like to create a Stock solution of Boron , ideally in 1000ml portions, that should be around in the 5000ppm range. Could you reveal to me how much I would need to mix a solution like this? Thanks a lot and I'm a great fan of your DIY solutions ;-) -Andre

www.reef2reef.com

triton boron, 26,000 mg/l
brightwell boron 'borochrom', 5,671.52 mg/l
ati boron, 5,000 mg/l

triton manganese, 100,000 µg/ℓ
ati manganese, 200,000 µg/ℓ

triton lithium, 500,000 µg/ℓ
ati lithium, 1,000,000 µg/ℓ

triton vanadium, 1,000 µg/mℓ
ati vanadium, 200 µg/mℓ

triton Ni, 100 µg/ℓ
ati Ni, 200 µg/ℓ

triton Zn, 1,000 µg/mℓ
ati Zn, 200 µg/mℓ

 

[joaocdestro]

Hi Guys, I'm trying to make these solutions and I don't know how much to use, because I don't know how to calculate...


Br Solution using Sodium Bromide (NaBR) - How many grams of NaBR should I use, to get 500mg/L of Bromine in one liter?

Li Solution using lithium carbonate (LiCO3) - How many grams of Lithium carbonate should I use, to get 500mg/L of lithium in one liter?

Mn Solution using Manganese Sulfate (MnSo4 H2O) - How many grams of MnSo4 H2O should I use, to get 100mg/L of Manganese in one liter?

 

[Jonify]

Awesome--turned all this data into a calculator!

 

[Jonify]

Noticed something as I started building out additional elements--the calc on Boron was wrong back on page one--you were using Triton's Bromine recommendation instead of the Boron. Anyways, sheet is updated.