URGENT: Lost 6 fish in 40 hours. I'm desperate.

[Victoria M]

We do have these conditions already with international air travel for business and pleasure. Humans are extraordinarily lucky that no pathogen has fully taken advantage of how aggressively we intermingle on a global scale. Imagine if we could stay asymptomatic carriers of something for days or weeks, infecting other asymptomatic carriers along the way, only to later break out in disease which quickly kills us and everyone around us. The first worldwide human pandemic of the new millennium with real bite will be truly something to see; and I guess you're right, the CDC will definitely be involved at that point!

it is because, in part, that those folks that travel internationally tend to be well fed, healthy, and most have appropriate healthcare. The close quarters comes into play with airborne diseases, especially on airplanes, and those folks who have not gotten vaccinated for the diseases that used to wipe out large numbers of folks. you know, when the diseases would run rampant, prior to us having access to vaccines. I am from the camp of people who are glad we hav chlorine in out water so our young children don't die from bloody diarrhea, and I am glad I will never have to see my child suffer with polio. Yes, I am aware vaccines are imperfect, and that disinfectants in our water might be causing other health ailments. I will stop there because that opens a can of worms.
omg, I derailed again sorry. ;Facepalm

 

[johnbr]

Hi Guys,

First of all, Happy Thanksgiving for everyone.

So I’m bringing more updates on my situation. As many of you know I lost 12 fish in 40 hours about a week and a half ago. Pictures showed signs of velvet or brook. I immediately started a two QT tank and treated.

These last 2 days I’ve noticed that my blue hippo Tang was rubbing like crazy in the pipes and taking a closer look I spotted a few white dots.

I’m assuming that it could be ich due to stress from the QT treatment. This morning already did a 90 minutes bath with formalin just to be on the safe side.

Next week I’m planning to start Copper to see if gets better.

Question is could a fish develop another disease while in QT? Can I start dips with high copper concentration (cupramine) or there’s no such a thing?

Please any help?

 

[Victoria M]

They do not "develop" it, John. The parasite was present within the animal at a level undetectable by the naked eye. Or present in one of the other animals in the QT tank. I used to have some great articles on the life cycle of parasites.

 

[johnbr]

They do not "develop" it, John. The parasite was present within the animal at a level undetectable by the naked eye. Or present in one of the other animals in the QT tank.

thanks for your inputs @Victoria M

Should I stop the daily dosage of Formalin since the fish are not showing any more signs of brook or velvet? Also by the pics did you see any ich?

thanks

 

[Victoria M]

Please read this.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/ich-eradication-vs-ich-management.188775/

 

[Victoria M]

I would read All of the articles

 

[Victoria M]

I would do a large water change and use chloroquine phosphate or copper starting today.

 

[Victoria M]

Pictures do look like it but it is hard to diagnose per photo especially early infection or after a fish starts sliming up. Trust your eye.

 

[Victoria M]

@HotRocks perhaps you could advise this kind fellow. Thank you. I will check in again after work. Or before if I can

 

[JumboShrimp]

@johnbr, we love you, man! But you seem to be a bit all over the board, darting from treatment plan to treatment plan, and then doubling back again. I agree— read all about Ich (on R2R) if that’s what your fish have, and follow through to the end of the course of treatment. Ditto if it’s Velvet. Ditto if it’s Brook. Ditto if it’s a secondary infection. We’re in your corner, and we’ll see you through this. Just steady the course a bit.

 

[HotRocks]

@HotRocks perhaps you could advise this kind fellow. Thank you. I will check in again after work. Or before if I can

I am with him on his other thread. Thanks for the invite!

 

[Victoria M]

I am with him on his other thread. Thanks for the invite!

Thank you so much!
John, you have the help of an expert. you are in good hands.

 

[Victoria M]

I will continue to follow in the fish disease subforum, too.

 

[johnbr]

Thank you so much!
John, you have the help of an expert. you are in good hands.

I can see that. It is impressive the amount of knowledge that this guys have.

 

[Victoria M]

@johnbr, we love you, man! But you seem to be a bit all over the board, darting from treatment plan to treatment plan, and then doubling back again. I agree— read all about Ich (on R2R) if that’s what your fish have, and follow through to the end of the course of treatment. Ditto if it’s Velvet. Ditto if it’s Brook. Ditto if it’s a secondary infection. We’re in your corner, and we’ll see you through this. Just steady the course a bit.

This was a truly kind, compassionate, humble and deescalating response. An inspiration in kindness.

 

[Quovadis Green]

Two things kill fish rapidly: gram negative bacterial infections and velvet. When was the last new "wet" thing added to your tank?

Question I believe this is velet looks like skin is hanging off almost like shedding everyone said ICH wouldn’t have killed my livestock so fast my question is all fish are dead now and right before they died the Copper Power came but it was too late I’ve been dosing the tank with it so I know invertebrates and coral can never go into this tank on top of allowing to go fallow I’m wondering what meds can I use on tank weekly or daily as if it was my QT tank so that next time I introduce fish I don’t lose them all ! It was that dang Powder Blue everything was great till I added him

 

[JumboShrimp]

I’m not sure that I’m following your precise question: Are you asking about having your main DT constantly ‘pre-treated’ at all times with medication? Even in a FOWLR, that would not be the way to go (and would cost a fortune in meds). You want the best water quality possible in your DT, and medicate only in your QT/Hospital Tank. Medicating in your DT is for rare, absolute emergencies. Maybe I misunderstood your question. ;Headphone

 

[HotRocks]

Question I believe this is velet looks like skin is hanging off almost like shedding everyone said ICH wouldn’t have killed my livestock so fast my question is all fish are dead now and right before they died the Copper Power came but it was too late I’ve been dosing the tank with it so I know invertebrates and coral can never go into this tank on top of allowing to go fallow I’m wondering what meds can I use on tank weekly or daily as if it was my QT tank so that next time I introduce fish I don’t lose them all ! It was that dang Powder Blue everything was great till I added him

Pretty sure you were told it was velvet from the get...

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/is-this-ich-on-my-copperband.505919/#post-5369467

Here is what I do for QT, as you have learned that velvet is no fun. I choose to treat all of my fish prophylactically. My approach is probably more agressive than most but I do keep a tank full of "hard to keep fish" and have never had to deal with any parasites in my DT. There are gobs of info in the sticky threads at the top of the disease forum relating to QT, fallow periods, medications etc. If you have any questions please feel free to reach out.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/my-current-qt-process.483371/unread