What are these red marks?
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This is something I found in a previous thread from Humblefish.
Treating with CP will eradicate it and before that I had success using copper. Steve claims metronidazole is actually the most effective treatment for Uronema, and while I've never used metro on that disease his reasoning certainly makes sense.
Uronema marinum:
Symptoms - These are the red sores often seen on chromis damsels. The disease seems mostly confined to damsels and clownfish, but I have seen some exceptions to that.
Treatment options - This is a very difficult disease to treat. Possible treatment options include: Metronidazole (ex. Seachem MetroPlex), acriflavine (ex. Acriflavine-MS), Chloroquine phosphate and copper. The problem is the fish can never be returned to the infected tank from which it came. Uronema is a “free living” parasite which does not require a fish host. So, going fallow will not eradicate it. Most fish seem protected from it via their natural immune system; but for some reason, chromis and some other fish are not always afforded this protection. Once a tank has Uronema, it must be assumed that the disease can survive in there almost indefinitely.
Formalin bath or freshwater dip may provide temporary relief for Uronema.
Treating with CP will eradicate it and before that I had success using copper. Steve claims metronidazole is actually the most effective treatment for Uronema, and while I've never used metro on that disease his reasoning certainly makes sense.
Uronema marinum:
Symptoms - These are the red sores often seen on chromis damsels. The disease seems mostly confined to damsels and clownfish, but I have seen some exceptions to that.
Treatment options - This is a very difficult disease to treat. Possible treatment options include: Metronidazole (ex. Seachem MetroPlex), acriflavine (ex. Acriflavine-MS), Chloroquine phosphate and copper. The problem is the fish can never be returned to the infected tank from which it came. Uronema is a “free living” parasite which does not require a fish host. So, going fallow will not eradicate it. Most fish seem protected from it via their natural immune system; but for some reason, chromis and some other fish are not always afforded this protection. Once a tank has Uronema, it must be assumed that the disease can survive in there almost indefinitely.
Formalin bath or freshwater dip may provide temporary relief for Uronema.
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They are only in a 5 gallon tank going through ttm. I have had them for 8 days and they are on transfer 3. So I don't need to worry about disease sticking around. I have metroplex and will begin medicating them asap
Yes; as mentioned above this is almost certainly uronema: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/uronema-marinum.247940/
However, white string poo indicates intestinal worms so you have another problem to deal with as well: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/internal-parasites-intestinal-worms.267419/
Treating for uronema takes precedence here, as it is a fast killing disease. Do you have access to Chloroquine, metronidazole or formalin?
Both dose metro and food soak it using Focus: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/metronidazole.298762/#post-3655831
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Ok thanks. The fish have been by themselves in 5 gallons tanks and will be for the next 7 days. Can they be cured from Uronema and safe to add to display tank eventually. After ttm they will go in my 20 gallon qt for another few weeks before display tank. Or are they forever cursed, lol
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@Humblefish So I soaked some frozen mysis with metroplex and used focus to bind it. They ate it like crazy, no garlic needed. Then I mixed some metroplex(about 1/2 a little scoop, it says 1 scoop per 10 g) with some tank water and poured that in to treat the water. Question, I know I will continue to feed them medicated food, but how often should I add some metroplex to the water? They get a new tank next on sat and then again on tues. Should I just put that measured 1/2 scoop in with each new tank every 3 days during ttm, or do I add some to the water everyday?
As I recall, Metro's dose is every other day, which would mean with a new tank and on the third day. (Day before transfer.)
I've done Metro, but not in conjunction with TTM.
~Bruce
I've done Metro, but not in conjunction with TTM.
~Bruce
^^ Agree with Bruce; dose metro every 48 hours until symptoms are gone. Feed metro on a daily basis to clear the worms.
The intestinal worms are treatable, but I'm not going to lie your back is against the wall with uronema...
The intestinal worms are treatable, but I'm not going to lie your back is against the wall with uronema...
Yes, but more often it targets damsels and chromis. Usually other, healthy fish won't be effected. But, once it's in your display tank there's no easy way to get it out. Restarting or living with it are your only real options.
Yes, but I would observe for at least a month or two after symptoms subside before placing him in your DT. To be sure its 100% gone.
Strange question, re: Uronema...
If you've got fish in QT who have gotten over Uronema, you obviously don't want to transfer it to DT with them, but it might be crawling on the fish or in the water, correct?
Would it be worthwhile to drip-acclimate the new fish - and use the container you're holding them in during acclimation as an Acriflavine dip, simultaneously? That is, dose Acriflavine (or Metro, for that matter) into the drip container, while acclimating the fish?
~Bruce, with random thoughts tooling around his brain . . .
If you've got fish in QT who have gotten over Uronema, you obviously don't want to transfer it to DT with them, but it might be crawling on the fish or in the water, correct?
Would it be worthwhile to drip-acclimate the new fish - and use the container you're holding them in during acclimation as an Acriflavine dip, simultaneously? That is, dose Acriflavine (or Metro, for that matter) into the drip container, while acclimating the fish?
~Bruce, with random thoughts tooling around his brain . . .
@Maritimer I really need to do more research regarding the life cycle of brook and uronema. (Need more hours in the day. 
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Most of my understanding of these diseases comes from this article and my own anecdotal experience of using CP to treat it.
Back in the day, I also had some success (but also some failures) performing a formalin bath and then transferring the fish into a sterile QT. A LFS I advise has had much better success dosing metronidazole into the QT (post formalin bath) and treating for 10-14 days to prevent a recurrence.
)Most of my understanding of these diseases comes from this article and my own anecdotal experience of using CP to treat it.
Back in the day, I also had some success (but also some failures) performing a formalin bath and then transferring the fish into a sterile QT. A LFS I advise has had much better success dosing metronidazole into the QT (post formalin bath) and treating for 10-14 days to prevent a recurrence.
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So now both chromis have uronema marks on them. They have never been anywhere in my system but the 5 gallon ttm tanks. I have been transferring tanks every 3 days and they are now on day 11. I have been putting 1/2 scoop metroplex in water every other day and feed them mysis with metro, focus, selcon and garlic. They have been eating heartily. Now the second chromis shows uronema. What am I to do with these two? Can they ever go in my display or will I always be risking other fish?!? I need some advice on what to do here please.
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