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On the bright side...OP asked about what fish could be used for cycling as opposed to unwanted babies or puppies.Simply pointing out for clarification and nothing else. OP asked what fish to use for cycling, period. No discussion of bottled bacteria or any other supportive solution to convert ammonia.
So Brandon, every body is wrong and you hold the magic key and have all the answers. Pretty arrogant to come on and say everything everyone wrote is 100% wrong. Not one person was incorrect in the information they gave. People have done cycling with fish for years and myself included. But over the years and without for just as many years. All were successful for the most part. It’s one thing to come on and post your opinion but another to come on and post what others say is incorrect. I’ve notice this in just about every post of yours.Each response on this topis is incorrect, I mean literally 100% of them.
not that you shold start with a fish, but ammonia burning isn't in play. that's fear made up; relayed among non seneye owners.
I realize everyone cares about fish but you're relaying to him a risk that has no data
let me ask it this way: which forum on this site has the most fish death
is it in the new tanks forum, where they're all cycling? is it in the disease forum?
can anyone here find a cycling tank example for a reef display where the fish were not carried and acted just fine when added with bottle bac?
old cycling science allows us to make up things that no seneye owner has ever reported, free ammonia burning a fish when bottle bac is used
anyone who watches seneye + bottle bac study threads see ammonia burning is never in play, for anyone. by continuing on cycling lore that is untrue, we kill more fish by never directing a new tanker to the sole forum on this site that shows how to disease prep a tank. aim the concern correctly: nobody has burned a fish with ammonia during cycling. they die eight months later of crypto no matter how you cycle-if you skip preps.
nearly all entrants in the disease help forum properly cycled their tank with ammonia and no fish.
Kinda why i put him on ignore. I am not sure why..but he likes to play the contrarian to rile people up.So Brandon, every body is wrong and you hold the magic key and have all the answers. Pretty arrogant to come on and say everything everyone wrote is 100% wrong. Not one person was incorrect in the information they gave. People have done cycling with fish for years and myself included. But over the years and without for just as many years. All were successful for the most part. It’s one thing to come on and post your opinion but another to come on and post what others say is incorrect. I’ve notice this in just about every post of yours.
So where are your links proving that ammonia burn in fish is not real? Just one. We want just one link. You "keep writing passion posts response when one or two links would make the case so much better."killer
I understand that sentiment
but there aren't any links showing that outcome. these guys keep writing passion post response when one or two links would make the case so much better.
it becomes evident when we search for only 3-4 minutes
delayed disease risk is where the sole risk is, it's all you/we/anyone can find for loss examples.
I know of two recent day 1 clownfish loss examples the hungry crowd would love to pounce on but since nobody is bothering to link as they emote we won't be seeing those. they're on nano-reef.com and we're discussing them on the main page lol/hint/
and when we visited with the party in question, he was 2+ hour floating an opened bag rolled back at the top of his tank. ammonia was killing the fish, but not from inside the actual tank. we then had him add new fish to the exact same water, netted over without 2 hour float cycle, they're fine.
there are no examples of a failed bottle bac cycle in reefing. that is a very very very hard bit of data for old school cycling proponents to digest, they'd rather shoot the messenger.
nobody here reading would have discerned that person was bad acclimating, they'd have said it was lack of bacteria from the start. old cycling science literally cannot troubleshoot any form of fish loss at all, it's all hyperfocused on bacteria and even that isn't using any decent ammonia meters. old cycling science says api .25 means fish are burning, yet that's what 90% of today's reefs read on api at year 4/ check api trending posts. if ammonia isn't zero, old cycling science says fish are burning.
wrong
Yes. They're selling you 3 cents of ammonia for $4, a $49 ammonia checker, and a bunch of other unnecessary nonsense.I think BRS knows what they are doing
That's very much the impression that I get. There seem to be two ways to cycle, with fish and without.Perhaps in modern times with bottled bac its dummy proof now (that I do not know). Maybe these ammonia burn / fish death stories are from people throwing in a bunch of fish at once with no bottled bacteria at all?
I don't think that the comments are necessarily disagreeing here. Personally, I use bottled bac and am comfortable tossing fish in same day.It's incredibly frustrating watching the same old 30 year old nonsense be pushed on every newbie who steps through the door, and then see them pushing it on the next one.
Modern bacterial solutions are really good. And most of the people running multi-week bottled bacteria cycles are doing it against the advice of the manufacturer of that bacteria. Even Dr. Tim's tells you to pour the stuff in and add fish.
My method:
Biospira day 1.
First fish day 3.
There is never any measurable ammonia. There is no risk to fish.
Yes. They're selling you 3 cents of ammonia for $4, a $49 ammonia checker, and a bunch of other unnecessary nonsense.
These are infomercials. They are designed to sell you things under the veneer of information.