Why do so many fish get sick?

[NanaReefer]

I want to get Reef Frenzy for my "babies" but nobody around here seems to sell it yet >_<

Culturing my own worms is unfortunately out of the question for the moment.

Larry ships direct [emoji2]

 

[Eienna]

Larry ships direct [emoji2]

I know but the shipping is like $50 XP I'm gonna have to pick a month to be broke.

 

[Paul B]

Paul, I almost pee'd my pants reading your article (post) tonight.

There is no room in this hobby for humor, it is very serious and now even as I write this I look very austere. Sort of like Einstein, not the one where he has his tounge out

 

[Paul B]

Kodi, you have two posts on here and I am glad you decided to read mine. I think you and a Sherpa in Tibet with a pet Yak read that. Thank you.

 

[kodi419]

Paul I have been following you for a few years. I just really enjoyed the "banter" that was going on here last night. And my Midas Blenny would definitely disagree with you that there is no HUMOR in Reefing! He makes me laugh all the time!

 

[ReefFrenzy]

Collect chop feed. My tank as well as myself. Do you see any reason not to feed the tank stuff I collect.

If you want to be extra safe you can freeze any fresh collected clams and other live foods. Many public aquariums have protocols to freeze inbound shipments of foods for a period of 5-30 days to kill off any parasites. Freezing the clams lets you open them easier anyway so it kills to birds with one stone.

Nice write up and great to see LRS jumping in.

Glad to help!

I know but the shipping is like $50 XP I'm gonna have to pick a month to be broke.

Eienna, Fed Ex shipping, dry ice and the cooler fee is only $14 if you live in 2/3 of the USA from Colorado/Texas east. Since you live in CA it is a little more for Fed Ex Express but if you find a couple friends to order with you we offer discounts based on volume to erase the shipping costs. Thanks!

 

[Naiad]

I agree almost all my live stock, not just fish spawns. I currently have about 12 fish that I received with marine velvet. I have kept them alive for over a month before treatment by just giving a healthy diet.

 

[Paul B]

Paul I have been following you for a few years.

Was that you? I thought someone was following me. Did you see me go into the coffee shop this morning? :tea:

 

[kodi419]

Busted! :angel:

 

[Eienna]

If you want to be extra safe you can freeze any fresh collected clams and other live foods. Many public aquariums have protocols to freeze inbound shipments of foods for a period of 5-30 days to kill off any parasites. Freezing the clams lets you open them easier anyway so it kills to birds with one stone.



Glad to help!




Eienna, Fed Ex shipping, dry ice and the cooler fee is only $14 if you live in 2/3 of the USA from Colorado/Texas east. Since you live in CA it is a little more for Fed Ex Express but if you find a couple friends to order with you we offer discounts based on volume to erase the shipping costs. Thanks!

I don't have friends out here with aquariums, but I COULD ask my favorite LFS employees if they want to try it with me...hmmm

 

[Untamedrose]

one thing I dont see mention often that I really like feeding is crab eggs....like the little orange ones they put on sushi.

 

[sundog101]

one thing I dont see mention often that I really like feeding is crab eggs....like the little orange ones they put on sushi.

Where do you get those at?

I've fed fish eggs, but never crab eggs.

 

[Untamedrose]

asian markets carry them.... for price going to want frozen vs a jar.

and I was wrong looked it up to show and masago caviar is flying fish not crab...had that wrong in my head a long time apparently XD oops

Where do you get those at?

I've fed fish eggs, but never crab eggs.

 

[Flameback Pair]

You never, ever hear this anywhere, but here it is: VIRUSES!! Not just parasites and bacterial infections.

 

[BoneXriffic]

This is quite old. But good read @Paul B . I was feeding crap foods at first. Been using @ReefFrenzy for over a year now.... prior i had a case of marine velvet...i tried a radical treatment...and began lrs. I have a feeling my treatment may have worked but lrs has helped the fish fighting through it survive in my opinion. My clowns been with me 5 years now and i believe i can thank LRS for it. Working sometimes 80 hours a week i never have time for some of the diy worms and other stuff, but thanks to their food i am able to not work so hard.

And a side note on price. I talked a fee friends into switching from the cubes to lrs and when you compare the price per weight of food to theirs its similar....if not cheaper than the crap food.

You were actually my inspiration to find a better food solution paul. @ReefFrenzy might owe you a kick back hahaha! We agree to care for these fish by purchasing, so buying the quality food is our job.

 

[atoll]

Usd to be said our fish got sick due to the fact we keep them in a more density than they are found in the ocean so disease will easily spread between them. There is some truth in that but that is never been the cause of sick fish. Fish get sick due to lack of immunity not because they snuggle up together. Like Paul my fish don't get sick but then I have only been keeping marines 36 years with 25 years of good health and long lives. Took a few years for the penny to drop and stop listening to the fish food manufacturers who predicted doom and gloom if I fed fish from the fresh fish food market. I wonder why they told us such things and that the only seafood we should feed must be gamma irradiated. Hmmm

 

[Hethari]

Following

 

[Paul B]

You never, ever hear this anywhere, but here it is: VIRUSES!! Not just parasites and bacterial infections.

That's true, we rarely speak about viruses. But we don't mention many things because we don't have as much control over them like parasites and bacteria. Things such as such as jumping out (one of mine jumped out 2 days ago, but I was feeding them and he hit me in the nose) or getting run over by a school bus. Viruses sometimes help us with keeping fish healthy as long as we keep a natural tank because viruses, besides us, also target bacteria and parasites helping to keep their numbers down. I don't know but I would assume that healthy immune fish would also have some immunity toward viruses as we do. Antibiotics really screw up a tank because those kill bacteria and let the viruses go nuts. Bacteria also kill some parasites, they all live in harmony and sing Coom By Aah.
Fish evolved with viruses, bacteria and parasites and they are of no concern to healthy fish. If they were a big threat, there would be no fish in the ocean or in Atoll's or my tank as they have been for decades. Parasites, bacteria, viruses and school buses don't affect my fish and they should not affect anyone's fish. We consider those things diseases and pests mostly because we can't see them. If they were larger and cuter, maybe we would keep them as pets and try to keep fish out of our tanks. Parasites are only trying to make a living and they normally do that by tasting a little fish slime, then going off someplace to spawn. Normally the fish does not get harmed but does end up with a better, stronger immune system. We should be so lucky with mosquitoes. Our skin is dead on the outside so we can't manufacture anti mosquito serum. But a fishes skin is alive, with all the anti bodies and anti parasitic substances which are inside the fish so they can make anti, whatever the fish needs. Well maybe not anti Sea Gull serum, but you get the point.
The proper diet for fish is much more important than it is for us. I know I said this someplace but we can live fairly well on hot dogs, Pizza, Happy meals and beer and still "spawn" and have a working immune system. Our girlfriend may throw us out but even homeless people can "spawn" and have an immune system. Cold blooded fish are different. Their reproductive system shuts down as does their immune system right away when the fish is not fed properly . Remember Christie Brinkley. Oh wait, my mind wandered... Remember, fish need, every day live bacteria in their gut. The fish really don't care if we can't get that kind of food. In the sea they eat live food at every meal along with the live bacteria, parasites and, yes, viruses that are in their prey. They never, never eat dry sterile food, like never.
I started this thread yesterday (I think) Watch the short video. It mentions fish a few times) and it has to do with this discussion. Or go and watch Oprah, I think she is helping homeless parasites.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-importance-of-live-bacteria-in-food.300641/

 

[kass03]

I read this so today I went to my LFS and they just started getting LRS foods so I got the fish frenzy.
I was a little disappointed that there were quite a few larger chunks of food that most of my fish couldn't eat (my large sailfin tang was happy about that).
I wish they made a food with not so big of chunks so all the fish could eat it besides my piggy sailfin and yeah more black worms would be nice. I have some larger fish in my 180 but they can eat smaller chunks vs the smaller fish can't eat the bigger ones.
They did have a reef frenzy nano that I would have tried but the reef foods don't have black worms.

My oldest fish I kept was a yellow tang for 19 years fed mostly flakes until his later years when I started feeding some frozen, nori, and flakes.

I always love your posts Paul B.

 

[ReefFrenzy]

This is quite old. But good read @Paul B . I was feeding crap foods at first. Been using @ReefFrenzy for over a year now.... prior i had a case of marine velvet...i tried a radical treatment...and began lrs. I have a feeling my treatment may have worked but lrs has helped the fish fighting through it survive in my opinion. My clowns been with me 5 years now and i believe i can thank LRS for it. Working sometimes 80 hours a week i never have time for some of the diy worms and other stuff, but thanks to their food i am able to not work so hard.

And a side note on price. I talked a fee friends into switching from the cubes to lrs and when you compare the price per weight of food to theirs its similar....if not cheaper than the crap food.

You were actually my inspiration to find a better food solution paul. @ReefFrenzy might owe you a kick back hahaha! We agree to care for these fish by purchasing, so buying the quality food is our job.

Thank you for the great feedback! To be honest we have heard experiences like yours many times over the past 5 years, both from hobbyists and aquarium professionals. Many of the professional installation companies who install larger systems have seen direct improvements in the health, vigor and appearance of fish after switching to LRS. Fresher ingredients have more intact nutrients such as proteins and lipids which translates to improved health of the fish. When the fish have a more diverse and complete diet they will be healthier which can lead to increased immunity and also increased spawning activity. (The latter is certainly true as demonstrated by recent events: http://www.larrysreefservices.com/testimonials.html)

I read this so today I went to my LFS and they just started getting LRS foods so I got the fish frenzy.
I was a little disappointed that there were quite a few larger chunks of food that most of my fish couldn't eat (my large sailfin tang was happy about that).
I wish they made a food with not so big of chunks so all the fish could eat it besides my piggy sailfin and yeah more black worms would be nice. I have some larger fish in my 180 but they can eat smaller chunks vs the smaller fish can't eat the bigger ones.
They did have a reef frenzy nano that I would have tried but the reef foods don't have black worms.

My oldest fish I kept was a yellow tang for 19 years fed mostly flakes until his later years when I started feeding some frozen, nori, and flakes.

I always love your posts Paul B.

I'm sorry to hear your first experience with LRS was not 100% positive. We DO take great pains to make sure the Reef, Fish and Herbivore Frenzy blends are all processed to the same consistency for fish commonly sold at the local fish store. This means we have to feed everything from 2" clowns and anthias up to 8" tangs. This is not an easy task by any means and it often means there has to be a middle ground. Over the last five years the majority of customers seem to be satisfied with the consistency of the blends and you can always DIY our foods to a smaller particle size by shaving, chopping, smashing the larger chunks right before feeding. If we make the food blend too processed it tends to turn to mush which results in many complaints about the food clouding the water or being too small. If the 8 oz packs have particles which are too big you may find the Nano blend to be better suited since it is processed to be optimal for smaller fish. Our clear packaging should permit you to inspect the food before purchase so you can see exactly what is in the blend and the sizes of the foods. We appreciate your business and the feedback.