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Because AI dosen't understand it or at least some of the people who have used it don't really know how properly which results in problems 🤔
The way I understand AI is that it gathers its information from many sources. Actually a member stated it leans on reef2reef heavily . I can state this is a fact as it actually had a post from Randy Holmes Farley on it . As to people not understanding how to use it that is what AI said its for advanced Aquarists
 

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It says its risky to use in a reactor as it precipitates Magnesium and throws calcium , and Alk out of balance and is only for advanced Aquarists. Please explain Precipitates. Is that like the layman term salt creep ? Where salt comes out of solution and beds on the glass ?
It was a result of an inquiry on lowering Magnesium
 

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What did AI say the risks were? From a chemical standpoint its a base so it could cause burns to you. In the reef tank if you add too much at one time or it sits in one spot too long it can cause precipitation. Make sure to dose it in a high flow area. Also it adds calcium so to use it to lower calcium is not correct.

@jwranson Welcome! I dont do clowns they are the devil both the ones with fins and the ones with arms. Your question is lost on me.
I have a Vlamingi Tang that makes a clown look like Santas Elf
 

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It says its risky to use in a reactor as it precipitates Magnesium and throws calcium , and Alk out of balance and is only for advanced Aquarists. Please explain Precipitates. Is that like the layman term salt creep ? Where salt comes out of solution and beds on the glass ?
Precipitation would be when calcium actually gets "knocked out" of solution causing it to build up in/on the tank, rocks, sump, or a general cloudiness in the water column. It can spike ph as well. There is a lot that can go wrong if used incorrectly but overall its pretty easy to use. Its been 12-14 years since I have used it in conjunction with a calcium reactor. AFR is much easier to use. What are you using now that has calcium and mag out of whack?
 

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I have a Vlamingi Tang that makes a clown look like Santas Elf
I have seen plenty of mean fish but its usually toward other fish and when you go into the tank they scatter. Clowns attack people more often than other fish do, I have scars on my arms from my MH days and getting hit unexpectedly by one of my clowns and me reacting. People clowns are just Creepy.
 

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Precipitation would be when calcium actually gets "knocked out" of solution causing it to build up in/on the tank, rocks, sump, or a general cloudiness in the water column. It can spike ph as well. There is a lot that can go wrong if used incorrectly but overall its pretty easy to use. Its been 12-14 years since I have used it in conjunction with a calcium reactor. AFR is much easier to use. What are you using now that has calcium and mag out of whack?
That what is confusing I did add aquavitro Ca. Is supposed to maintain Calcium. Also not effect other parameters. That was 3 weeks ago , since then nothing just water changing with no results of lowering Calcium Mag or Alk. I use high alk Fritz
 

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The way I understand AI is that it gathers its information from many sources. Actually a member stated it leans on reef2reef heavily . I can state this is a fact as it actually had a post from Randy Holmes Farley on it . As to people not understanding how to use it that is what AI said its for advanced Aquarists
If people use Kalk in an inappropriate way resulting in problems AI picks it up. However, AI dosen't say that being used inappropriately is often the cause of issues, so in truth not not telling the full story.
 

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Anemones host Clowns. It's not the other way around. That's how conventional English works. Why do we, as a community, insist it's the other way around? This has aggrivated me for years, and yes, I made an account exclusively to ask this question. Why do we insist on being so very wrong?
It’s just something that has always been said for I know the last 35 years in this hobby since I have been in it . 99% of reefers know what it is but I don’t think it’s something to get upset about . Don’t take it so seriously
 

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Anemones host Clowns. It's not the other way around. That's how conventional English works. Why do we, as a community, insist it's the other way around? This has aggrivated me for years…
From what I’ve heard … the answer to this question, is in the Epstein files !
 

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Anemones host Clowns. It's not the other way around. That's how conventional English works. Why do we, as a community, insist it's the other way around? This has aggrivated me for years, and yes, I made an account exclusively to ask this question. Why do we insist on being so very wrong?
Honestly that’s the way it has been for as long as I can remember. 99% of reefers know what it is . I just don’t see why it rubs people the wrong way it’s just something that is said
 

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Because by definition Clowns are Squatters, and they typically host until you can pull an eviction.
I have been thinking about this too as after a 30day copper treatment the clowns have moved from squatting in the frogspawn to now squatting on a large chalice. Lol. Clowns "hosting" doesn't work.
 

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Agreed.

I think it is that people don't define the word "host" correctly.

Merriam Webster- Host: a person who receives or entertains guests socially, commercially, or officially.

So, seeing that the clown fish seeks out the anemone, it is correct to say that the anemone is hosting the clown fish.
 

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Agreed.

I think it is that people don't define the word "host" correctly.

Merriam Webster- Host: a person
Clownfish are not people
So, seeing that the clown fish seeks out the anemone, it is correct to say that the anemone is hosting the clown fish.
Usually a host sends guests an invitation to join an event. The clownfish are more like the homeless people who used to hang around gas stations and street corners and offer to wash the windows of the car operators who happened by.

The anemone and the clownfish are both getting benefits from the mostly commensal relationship. If the anemone provided drinks and finger sandwiches then I might have to consider it as the “Host” in the relationship.
 

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Clownfish are not people

Usually a host sends guests an invitation to join an event. The clownfish are more like the homeless people who used to hang around gas stations and street corners and offer to wash the windows of the car operators who happened by.

The anemone and the clownfish are both getting benefits from the mostly commensal relationship. If the anemone provided drinks and finger sandwiches then I might have to consider it as the “Host” in the relationship.
Yes, the relationship is a symbiotic one.

Interesting perspective... sending invitations.

What is the invitation sent out by the anemone? Does it secrete something that draws clown fish in?
 

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Anemones host Clowns. It's not the other way around. That's how conventional English works. Why do we, as a community, insist it's the other way around? This has aggrivated me for years, and yes, I made an account exclusively to ask this question. Why do we insist on being so very wrong?
I gave up correcting people on this.
 

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Welcome to R2R !!!
Interesting question. The clownfish has the advantage of his protective layer on the body to touch basically any coral, thing that other fish doesnt have. In the past I had 32 RBTA in my 75g and they didnt touch neither one but they love my goniopora and also a duncan colony. Right now I have two clowns that stay the whole day in my goniopora even at night when is completely close.

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