Due to acquisition of two Marineland 125-gallon tanks, my build plan has changed significantly.
Current plan is to have a 125-reef with a 125-sump with the main chamber for a macroalgae display.
Screenshot of 3D-model of current plan (2021-10-04 16:06):
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QT Update 2021-11-23:
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Stand painted 2021-11-13 (now in my dining room 2021-11-20):
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Living room FOWLR is being transferred to the basement:
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Now for 90-Display/75-sump FOWLR for my basement fish room:
Last Update as of 2021-03-17 10:38
Floor drilled for plumbing down to basement "fish room" (2021-03-16 20:30):
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Current FOWLR and in-progress setup photo from this morning (2021-03-10):
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Backdrop outdoor posters received for mangrove lagoon and 90-gallon reef (2021-03-08):
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Current Fish Stocking List as of 2021-03-11 17:42
Current planned fish list:
90-gallon reef:
1X Fiji Bicolor Foxface (Siganus uspi)
2X Darwin Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris)
2X Royal Gramma (Gramma loreto)
2X Sharknose Gobies (Elcatinus evelynae)
1X Rainsford's Goby (Amblygobius rainfordi)
1X Orangespotted Shrimp Goby (Amblyeleotris guttata)
1X Bristletooth Tomini Tang (Ctenochaetus tominiensis)
3X Yellowstriped Cardinalfish (Ostorhincus cyanosoma) or Seal's Cardinalfish (Ostorhincus sealei)
2X Scissortail Dartfish (Ptereleotris evides)
1X Melanurus Wrasse (Halichoerus melanurus)
1X Engineer Goby (Pholidichthys leucotaenia)

75-gallon mangrove lagoon:
1X Purple Tang (Zebrasoma xanthurum) [already in FOWLR]
1X Rectangle Triggerfish (Rhinecanthus rectangulus) [already in FOWLR]
1X Snowflake Eel (Echidna nebulosa) [already in FOWLR]
1X One Spot Foxface (Siganus unimaculatus)
1X Pink Streaked Wrasse (Pseudocheilinops ataenia)

~40-gallon Sump Refugium Section:
2X Janss' Pipefish (Doryrhamphus janssi)
2X Spotted Mandarinfish (Synchiropus picturatus)


Planned layout (shorter stand will be standard rather than custom-built):
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75-gallon mangrove lagoon and 90-gallon display are both drilled for Modular Marine 1200gph overflows (awaiting setup and installation). (2021-01-21)
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Stand Frame finished and awaiting skin, trim, and countertop (2021-01-04):
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UPDATES as of 2020-12-07 13:00
Modular Marine 1200GPH overflows shipping soon, fish list being revised and researched, materials for stand are in my shop waiting for fabrication, most equipment is sourced and on-hand for progress over holiday break



ORIGINAL POST
After being introduced to keeping a marine aquarium with the acquisition of a 75-gallon FOWLR from a co-worker as detailed in my post in the Meet & Greet forum, I am just starting the planning phase of building a 90-gallon peaceful reef tank.
Since I am new, I am planning to start with more hardy fishes, corals, and invertebrates. Research is one thing I enjoy doing, so I will be careful and patient in the planning phase to reduce likelihood of wasted expense and failures when I am starting out.

I already have the tank (48 inches long, 18 inches wide, 25 inches deep) and stand with an open base design that should allow for a sump. There are no holes drilled in the aquarium for plumbing, so I will probably need overflow over the top, unless drilling through the glass is a consideration I take. A sump with a refugium is very likely to be included (30 to 55 gallons, not sure how to size the sump? ...is bigger better?).
80-lbs of dry rock, 40-lbs of Caribsea Arag-alive Fiji Pink, and 20-lbs of Caribsea Arag-alive Special Grade are on order so I can get rockscape and substrate ready to begin cycling in the next month or two. I am in no rush, but I would like to have the materials on hand when I am ready to start this tank, especially if there is any pre-setup processing I need to do.

This is my initial fish list based on preliminary research, and recommendations for additions, subtractions, or changes are appreciated.
Listed in approximate order of preference:
2 of Black and White Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris)
1 of Purple Tang (Zebrasoma xanthurum) [I already have this ~4-inch fish that will be transferred over from my 75-gallon]
1 of Kole Yellow Eye Tang (Ctenochaetus strigosus) or 1 of Bristletooth Tomini Tang (Ctenochaetus tominiensis)
1 of Foxface Lo (Siganus vulpinus) or 1 of Bicolor Foxface (Siganus uspi) or 1 of One Spot Foxface (Siganus unimaculatus)
1-2 of Engineer Goby (Pholidichthys leucotaenia)
2-3 of Chalk Bass (Serranus tortugarum)
2-3 of Neon Goby (Elcatinus oceanops)
2-4 of Yellowstriped Cardinalfish (Ostorhincus cyanosoma)
2 of Blue/Green Black-axil Chromis (Chromis sp.) or 2 of Yellowtail Damselfish (Chrysiptera parasema) or 2 of Blue Sapphire Damselfish (Chrysiptera cf. springeri)

Some items on this list are probably not subject to change. My favorite fish is the Black and White Ocellaris Clownfish, especially paired symbiotically with Rose Bubble-Tip Anemones. These two fish along with RBTA are surely on my list.
The Purple Tang came with the 75-gallon tank I got and is one of my most favorite fish, so I would like him to be in the 90-gallon reef (at least until he may grow too large?).
Fish from the genus Siganus I find particularly striking and interesting, so one will likely be included.
The Engineer Goby is one of my favorites also for its coloration and resemblance to an eel. I am not sure if it is better to include two or only one.
The Chalk Bass is my favorite small fish and would like to include more than one.
The other fish are just considerations for different colors or interests if they can be added without overcrowding the tank or overloading the biosystem.
I really like eels, and my 75-gallon aquarium came with a ~11-inch Snowflake Eel, but it seems they are not good to add to a 90-gallon reef. Since I also have triggerfish that are not compatible with the reef, I will probably leave the 75-gallon as a FOWLR in addition to the 90-gallon reef aquarium.

Does this seem way too heavy a bio-load for a 90-gallon tank (probably with a 30-to-55-gallon sump)? Should I remove fish or can I add fish (either more quantity or more types) to the list? What sequence should I add the fish to best aid success?

I am not really sure which corals to include, so I am open to suggestions. I want hardy beginner corals at the start and will see where I head from here in the future.
My initial research has me considering the following, though much more research and recommendations are needed before adding any:
Mushroom Anemones, branching Sinularia, Porites, Leather, Acropora (maybe too difficult?), Star Polyps, Euphyllia (especially ancora)
Corals are one category where I am very open to recommendations.

Other invertebrates, such as hermit crabs, snails, shrimp, starfish, urchins, conchs will be included for clean-up, though I am also very open to suggestions in this area and will refine considerations as I make a more specific plan for the fishes and corals that are to be included.

Thanks in advance for any recommendations, especially initial reactions to my considerations. I know this is broad right now, but I will get more specific in considerations and schedule as I progress in my research. I have been reading a lot about reefing and marine aquariums online and in books and will continue to do so in conjunction with recommendations on R2R for a practical education towards a successful reef.

Current Aquascape awaiting cementing (2020-12-07):
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Cemented Aquascape (2021-01-23):
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33-gallon Brute can ready for pre-cycling rock, sand, and aquascape (2021-01-23):
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Aquascape start-cycle in progress (2021-01-28):
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Kind Regards,
Soren
 
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The bio load might be on the high side is my guess.
Najer has an engineer goby and might be able to answer some questions. I would like an eel or engineer goby for my new build but undecided so far what I’ll do.
Sounds like you have a good plan and know there maybe some details to work out. Excited to watch tanks progress

Add the engineer goby at the start, it will move sand but moving clean sand causes less problems.

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Add the engineer goby at the start, it will move sand but moving clean sand causes less problems.

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That’s my plan if I do add one. I’m looking at it as a way to keep sand clean. Between the engineer and a bunch of sand sleeping wrasse my sand should sparkle
 

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Welcome, @Lost in the Sauce ! Progress will likely be slow, but at least somewhat steady...
I've been enjoying your build as well, though you have quite a jump in progress past mine! In some ways it probably helps to acquire an already-established reef, though I am sure it presents unique challenges as well.
Yeah, warp speed jump for sure. Period e and Cons abound.

As you mentioned, yes, I believe having this tank set up and running for 5+ years already does help a lot with the stability. Unfortunately, I'm going to miss a lot of the education I would have gotten, by doing it from the beginning and failing often which is my MO. I'm trying to read as much of the trials you all go through to help bring me up to speed.


There are definitely challenges in taking over the established tank. As you probably saw, there was a lot of warfare going on there. The mushrooms were encroaching and killing off parts of a lot of different corals in the system. There are quite a few palys that honestly are ugly, but bonded to rock with highlight pieces on them.
 
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Add the engineer goby at the start, it will move sand but moving clean sand causes less problems.

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@najer Have you had any experience keeping an engineer goby with small fishes such as neon/sharknose gobies? How much a risk would you consider it to keep both in the same tank? I am really leaning toward putting the engineer goby in the 90-reef, but don't want to lose small fish...
 
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Yeah, warp speed jump for sure. Period e and Cons abound.

As you mentioned, yes, I believe having this tank set up and running for 5+ years already does help a lot with the stability. Unfortunately, I'm going to miss a lot of the education I would have gotten, by doing it from the beginning and failing often which is my MO. I'm trying to read as much of the trials you all go through to help bring me up to speed.


There are definitely challenges in taking over the established tank. As you probably saw, there was a lot of warfare going on there. The mushrooms were encroaching and killing off parts of a lot of different corals in the system. There are quite a few palys that honestly are ugly, but bonded to rock with highlight pieces on them.
Yeah, no way would my design-oriented engineering mind be satisfied with taking over someone else's setup only! Though that is what started me in this hobby after the acquisition of the 75-FOWLR from a co-worker last September, I quickly started on this plan for the new setup where I got to design and engineer the components (equipment and live) along with a lot of research.

I hope I don't fail often, but I would probably try and fail in some things rather than feel too limited and take no risks.

Warfare is probably a good sign in an established reef, since it shows that the reef has been going for quite some time when the warfare is wide-spread. (unless it is due to poorly-planned over-crowded setup)
 

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@najer Have you had any experience keeping an engineer goby with small fishes such as neon/sharknose gobies? How much a risk would you consider it to keep both in the same tank? I am really leaning toward putting the engineer goby in the 90-reef, but don't want to lose small fish...

I have fish as small fish an inch, maybe inch and quarter, never considered the engineer an issue. :)
 
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I have fish as small fish an inch, maybe inch and quarter, never considered the engineer an issue. :)

My engineer has never even glanced at the smaller fish in my tank. I second that it shouldn't be an issue

That is what I hoped to hear! Thanks @najer and @danieyella for your input.

I'd say that sets my decision to include the engineer goby in the 90-reef.

This is what I would prefer, since the primary reason I discovered engineer gobies was while searching for something eel-like that would be reef-safe. Upon discovery, I liked the engineer goby very much and have wanted one ever since.
 

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That is what I hoped to hear! Thanks @najer and @danieyella for your input.

I'd say that sets my decision to include the engineer goby in the 90-reef.

This is what I would prefer, since the primary reason I discovered engineer gobies was while searching for something eel-like that would be reef-safe. Upon discovery, I liked the engineer goby very much and have wanted one ever since.

Make sure you scape is secure at the bottom, you are looking at a one fish sand moving machine! ;)
 
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Make sure you scape is secure at the bottom, you are looking at a one fish sand moving machine! ;)
Oh yes, I designed the scape to sit flat on the bottom glass and will have sand piled around it. Do I need to do more? I did not use flat base rock, but chose fairly flat-bottomed rocks for the foundation and cemented it together into large chunks for the aquascape.
 

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Oh yes, I designed the scape to sit flat on the bottom glass and will have sand piled around it. Do I need to do more? I did not use flat base rock, but chose fairly flat-bottomed rocks for the foundation and cemented it together into large chunks for the aquascape.
Sounds cool to me. :)
 

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Yeah, no way would my design-oriented engineering mind be satisfied with taking over someone else's setup only! Though that is what started me in this hobby after the acquisition of the 75-FOWLR from a co-worker last September, I quickly started on this plan for the new setup where I got to design and engineer the components (equipment and live) along with a lot of research.

I hope I don't fail often, but I would probably try and fail in some things rather than feel too limited and take no risks.

Warfare is probably a good sign in an established reef, since it shows that the reef has been going for quite some time when the warfare is wide-spread. (unless it is due to poorly-planned over-crowded setup)
what you do for work?
 
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what you do for work?
Why, engineering design, of course!
College-educated in agricultural mechanical engineering, employed as a design engineer for a moderately small company that builds grain flat-storage hoop buildings.
Paired with my interest in nature and animals, reefing becomes the perfect hobby to mesh nature, animals, technology, hands-on building skills, biology, chemistry, physics, plumbing, electricity...
 
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Why, engineering design, of course!
College-educated in agricultural mechanical engineering, employed as a design engineer for a moderately small company that builds grain flat-storage hoop buildings.
Paired with my interest in nature and animals, reefing becomes the perfect hobby to mesh nature, animals, technology, hands-on building skills, biology, chemistry, physics, plumbing, electricity...
Hey.... me too!
well except for that "College-educated" part. and the agricultural part. don't do that. and that "small company" part.
I work for a company under the former FCA umbrella, now since the merger with Peugeot called... well, I forgot. :rolleyes:
and that chemistry and plumbing and electrical stuff. not so much that either.

love nature, animals (sometimes on a plate next to mashed potatoes) and the tank is an extension for me from my past days scuba diving.

I started working summers at my dad's design shop at 14. went to college for a year, because mom thought as she put it "I should take advantage of the fact my parents could afford to send me to college.". I can still remember my dad's eye's rolling up in his head as he knew I would take "full advantage". what a party! after one year I decided against going back. I liked getting a pay check too much. so I been in automotive design full time since then. (1979)

mostly doing robotic welding and riveting tools now.
first aluminum ford f150 & f250... did a lot of the tooling on the bodyside.
latest Jeep Wrangler & Jeep cherokee bodysides.
Tesla Model 3 floor pan assembly. way cool job. 3 robots with lasers, simultaneously welding it together.
company I work for patented my designs on that one. I got a "nice job".:cool:

so yea.... me too.:p
 

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