Dinoflagellates - do you want them?

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I was thinking about something a little different here, we surelly do not have a simple solution that works for all dinos, unfortunatelly, but for a long time we started to understand what are great conditions that predict dino problems in the future.

So this list is kind of a joke (many items like dry rocks are actually my preference for many reasons, but sadly they are part of the list). So if you would love to have some dinos, here is the recipe:

- start a tank with dry rock and everything pretty sterile;

- have strong lights with high intensity with a long photoperid from the start;

- start ASAP with very intensive filtering and ultra clear water: over skimming, GFO;

- aim for ultra-zero nutrients: zero nitrates and zero phosphate all times, and use a good test to verify;

- have high iron and ultra zero silica;

- if you have any signs of algae just medicate ASAP: fluconazole and chemiclean as soon as bit of green algae or cyano appears;

- as a plus you can just drop some water from a tank with dino problems, but any livestock from any other source might work if that’s not available;

Hope you enjoyed, and most important: do not try this at home!
 
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So if you would love to have some dinos, here is the recipe:

- start a tank with dry rock and everything pretty sterile;

- have strong lights with high intensity with a long photoperid from the start;

- start ASAP with very intensive filtering and ultra clear water: over skimming, GFO;

- aim for ultra-zero nutrients: zero nitrates and zero phosphate all times, and use a good test to verify;

- have high iron and ultra zero silica;

- if you have any signs of algae just medicate ASAP: fluconazole and chemiclean as soon as bit of green algae or cyano appears;

- as a plus you can just drop some water from a tank with dino problems, but any livestock from any other source might work if that’s not available;
Great post. The correlations between dinos and all these are pretty strong, but I'll add two more that show up a lot.

-Dose amino acid coral food occasionally

-Have very little coral, just a few frags in a mostly empty tank works best.
 
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Great post. The correlations between dinos and all these are pretty strong, but I'll add two more that show up a lot.

-Dose amino acid coral food occasionally

-Have very little coral, just a few frags in a mostly empty tank works best.

Thanks a lot @taricha I forgot those 2!
 

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I was thinking about something a little different here, we surelly do not have a simple solution that works for all dinos, unfortunatelly, but for a long time we started to understand what are great conditions that predict dino problems in the future.

So this list is kind of a joke (many items like dry rocks are actually my preference for many reasons, but sadly they are part of the list). So if you would love to have some dinos, here is the recipe:

- start a tank with dry rock and everything pretty sterile;

- have strong lights with high intensity with a long photoperid from the start;

- start ASAP with very intensive filtering and ultra clear water: over skimming, GFO;

- aim for ultra-zero nutrients: zero nitrates and zero phosphate all times, and use a good test to verify;

- have high iron and ultra zero silica;

- if you have any signs of algae just medicate ASAP: fluconazole and chemiclean as soon as bit of green algae or cyano appears;

- as a plus you can just drop some water from a tank with dino problems, but any livestock from any other source might work if that’s not available;

Hope you enjoyed, and most important: do not try this at home!
I just finished reading a study on Dinos that had a sentence similar to this one when it comes to culturing them.
" F/2 media without silicate was used"
In nature it's usually low iron that helps the other phytoplankton lose the battle.
They still haven't found anything that will outcompete it when it comes to getting phosphorus. It's so sad to see so many people wasting money on bacteria and phyto without physical removal of the dinos, or adding anything that will limit their reproduction. Diatoms have a chemical that will limit ostreopsis, but it isn't strong enough if the scales have already been tipped and the diatoms are Phosphate limited while the dinos can just go and get organic phosphorus.
 
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I just finished reading a study on Dinos that had a sentence similar to this one when it comes to culturing them.
" F/2 media without silicate was used"
In nature it's usually low iron that helps the other phytoplankton lose the battle.
They still haven't found anything that will outcompete it when it comes to getting phosphorus. It's so sad to see so many people wasting money on bacteria and phyto without physical removal of the dinos, or adding anything that will limit their reproduction. Diatoms have a chemical that will limit ostreopsis, but it isn't strong enough if the scales have already been tipped and the diatoms are Phosphate limited while the dinos can just go and get organic phosphorus.
I don’t know if this is the article you mean, but it arrived to the same conclusion.
 

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I wasn't keeping salt tanks for probably a decade or more....been since college....so 15-20 years now....and then it wasn't even an issue or discussed, except maybe in the backroom of the fish store. Flash to 2021 and I'm getting back into reefing and DINOFLAGELLATES are taking over!!!! What is happening?
 
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I wasn't keeping salt tanks for probably a decade or more....been since college....so 15-20 years now....and then it wasn't even an issue or discussed, except maybe in the backroom of the fish store. Flash to 2021 and I'm getting back into reefing and DINOFLAGELLATES are taking over!!!! What is happening?

Microscopes got into too… and live rock got out… and heavy filtration got in…
 

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I wasn't keeping salt tanks for probably a decade or more....been since college....so 15-20 years now....and then it wasn't even an issue or discussed, except maybe in the backroom of the fish store. Flash to 2021 and I'm getting back into reefing and DINOFLAGELLATES are taking over!!!! What is happening?
I'm in the same boat....I bought a used tank that's 2 years old with all the bells and whistles....Neptune, uv, auto water change, fancy skimmer. Cannot see a single copapod in the tank and barely any coraline algea....no feather dusters....no sponges....no bristle worms....It was started with dry rock which I think is the main reason for the dinos as I never had issue with them before in my past reef tank with my current care routine.
 
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I'm in the same boat....I bought a used tank that's 2 years old with all the bells and whistles....Neptune, uv, auto water change, fancy skimmer. Cannot see a single copapod in the tank and barely any coraline algea....no feather dusters....no sponges....no bristle worms....It was started with dry rock which I think is the main reason for the dinos as I never had issue with them before in my past reef tank with my current care routine.
Nowadays the extremely clean route really seems to frequent, unfortunately…
 
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