Ich or possibly velvet

[bshake]

Hello everyone so I was slowly stocking my new reef tank with fish after a bunch of very unfortunate events that whipped out all my fish. Most of the fish in the tank are wrasse except for 2 blennies, 1 rabbit fish and 1 white trail bristle tooth tang. I added 2 tangs (purple and hippo) that were in QT into the tank. A week later got a shipment from Dr. reef of more wrasse and 2 anthias, 1 flame angel that were QTd

A few days later after everyone’s has been in the tank i noticed a slight dusting on the purple tang where his sides looked like they had specs on it. A few days after that my hippo started getting spots as well. Removed both back into QT none of the other fish had any signs of infection. When online and ordered a 25 watt UV from TMC. Sunday afternoon when I got home from work I saw 3 flasher and 2 fairy wrasse of my wrasse had a good mount of spots very very tiny on the upper parts of the body. And some specs on the clear part of their fins. It was late and I was exhausted so I fed them well and went to bed today the dots seem to have increased. From what I see the fish are all acting pretty normal when it comes to eating and swimming. Possibly Ich but I’m leaning more towards velvet. I tried to take pictures but they’re too fast and the sposts on the wrasse are so tiny they didn’t show in the photos.


Today I installed the UV sterilizer and started dosing H2o2 to help combat this until I figure out what’s the best course of action. So my issue is to take apart the aquascape and try and catch a lot of fish and the wrasse will be a real pain in the butt since some are sand sleepers.

Should I go crazy and remove the aquascape and catch all these fish and setup a 30 gal and 20 gal qT and put these fish inside and start copper? Or CP? Should I attempt to manage the outbreak with the UV and H2o2? The issue is it’s too many fish and I’ve lost more fish in QT. My white tail bristle tooth seems to be completely unaffected.

 

[smitten with ocean life]

wow. im really sorry. @vetteguy53081 ?

 

[bshake]

wow. im really sorry. @vetteguy53081 ?

Yeah me too its really starting to get annoying deal with this again.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hello everyone so I was slowly stocking my new reef tank with fish after a bunch of very unfortunate events that whipped out all my fish. Most of the fish in the tank are wrasse except for 2 blennies, 1 rabbit fish and 1 white trail bristle tooth tang. I added 2 tangs (purple and hippo) that were in QT into the tank. A week later got a shipment from Dr. reef of more wrasse and 2 anthias, 1 flame angel that were QTd

A few days later after everyone’s has been in the tank i noticed a slight dusting on the purple tang where his sides looked like they had specs on it. A few days after that my hippo started getting spots as well. Removed both back into QT none of the other fish had any signs of infection. When online and ordered a 25 watt UV from TMC. Sunday afternoon when I got home from work I saw 3 flasher and 2 fairy wrasse of my wrasse had a good mount of spots very very tiny on the upper parts of the body. And some specs on the clear part of their fins. It was late and I was exhausted so I fed them well and went to bed today the dots seem to have increased. From what I see the fish are all acting pretty normal when it comes to eating and swimming. Possibly Ich but I’m leaning more towards velvet. I tried to take pictures but they’re too fast and the sposts on the wrasse are so tiny they didn’t show in the photos.


Today I installed the UV sterilizer and started dosing H2o2 to help combat this until I figure out what’s the best course of action. So my issue is to take apart the aquascape and try and catch a lot of fish and the wrasse will be a real pain in the butt since some are sand sleepers.

Should I go crazy and remove the aquascape and catch all these fish and setup a 30 gal and 20 gal qT and put these fish inside and start copper? Or CP? Should I attempt to manage the outbreak with the UV and H2o2? The issue is it’s too many fish and I’ve lost more fish in QT. My white tail bristle tooth seems to be completely unaffected.

I assume you added the wrasses right away to display tank and may have gotten outbreak. As I often state, even with quarantined fish, assume they have something especially with stress of shipping and do your own quarantine to avoid this very risk. UV helps but will not erase what is pre-existing which you often dont see until parasites reach adult stage.
Please post pics and video of the fish with spots to determine if ich or skin irritation under bright white light intensity, no blue

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Hello everyone so I was slowly stocking my new reef tank with fish after a bunch of very unfortunate events that whipped out all my fish. Most of the fish in the tank are wrasse except for 2 blennies, 1 rabbit fish and 1 white trail bristle tooth tang. I added 2 tangs (purple and hippo) that were in QT into the tank. A week later got a shipment from Dr. reef of more wrasse and 2 anthias, 1 flame angel that were QTd

A few days later after everyone’s has been in the tank i noticed a slight dusting on the purple tang where his sides looked like they had specs on it. A few days after that my hippo started getting spots as well. Removed both back into QT none of the other fish had any signs of infection. When online and ordered a 25 watt UV from TMC. Sunday afternoon when I got home from work I saw 3 flasher and 2 fairy wrasse of my wrasse had a good mount of spots very very tiny on the upper parts of the body. And some specs on the clear part of their fins. It was late and I was exhausted so I fed them well and went to bed today the dots seem to have increased. From what I see the fish are all acting pretty normal when it comes to eating and swimming. Possibly Ich but I’m leaning more towards velvet. I tried to take pictures but they’re too fast and the sposts on the wrasse are so tiny they didn’t show in the photos.


Today I installed the UV sterilizer and started dosing H2o2 to help combat this until I figure out what’s the best course of action. So my issue is to take apart the aquascape and try and catch a lot of fish and the wrasse will be a real pain in the butt since some are sand sleepers.

Should I go crazy and remove the aquascape and catch all these fish and setup a 30 gal and 20 gal qT and put these fish inside and start copper? Or CP? Should I attempt to manage the outbreak with the UV and H2o2? The issue is it’s too many fish and I’ve lost more fish in QT. My white tail bristle tooth seems to be completely unaffected.

The description sounds like ich to me, but pics would help with the diagnosis.

Once ich spots reach a moderate number, you won’t be able to manage it with UV and you’ll need to pull all of the fish and treat with copper or hyposalinity.

 

[MnFish1]

Hello everyone so I was slowly stocking my new reef tank with fish after a bunch of very unfortunate events that whipped out all my fish. Most of the fish in the tank are wrasse except for 2 blennies, 1 rabbit fish and 1 white trail bristle tooth tang. I added 2 tangs (purple and hippo) that were in QT into the tank. A week later got a shipment from Dr. reef of more wrasse and 2 anthias, 1 flame angel that were QTd

A few days later after everyone’s has been in the tank i noticed a slight dusting on the purple tang where his sides looked like they had specs on it. A few days after that my hippo started getting spots as well. Removed both back into QT none of the other fish had any signs of infection. When online and ordered a 25 watt UV from TMC. Sunday afternoon when I got home from work I saw 3 flasher and 2 fairy wrasse of my wrasse had a good mount of spots very very tiny on the upper parts of the body. And some specs on the clear part of their fins. It was late and I was exhausted so I fed them well and went to bed today the dots seem to have increased. From what I see the fish are all acting pretty normal when it comes to eating and swimming. Possibly Ich but I’m leaning more towards velvet. I tried to take pictures but they’re too fast and the sposts on the wrasse are so tiny they didn’t show in the photos.


Today I installed the UV sterilizer and started dosing H2o2 to help combat this until I figure out what’s the best course of action. So my issue is to take apart the aquascape and try and catch a lot of fish and the wrasse will be a real pain in the butt since some are sand sleepers.

Should I go crazy and remove the aquascape and catch all these fish and setup a 30 gal and 20 gal qT and put these fish inside and start copper? Or CP? Should I attempt to manage the outbreak with the UV and H2o2? The issue is it’s too many fish and I’ve lost more fish in QT. My white tail bristle tooth seems to be completely unaffected.

Yes you should catch the fish and treat them with copper. Velvet in Marine fish does not present with 'dust' but rather breathing and other issues - so it sounds like Ich. It sounds like it's rapidly progressing - and FWIW H2O2 is broken down by UV. There is, however, an article on hyposalinity (if you don't have inverts in your tank) or ich management in the stickies at the top of the forum. Again - I'm presuming ich based on symptoms. Without pictures/videos and more history, it's difficult. What did you QT them with?

 

[bshake]

Hello everyone so I was slowly stocking my new reef tank with fish after a bunch of very unfortunate events that whipped out all my fish. Most of the fish in the tank are wrasse except for 2 blennies, 1 rabbit fish and 1 white trail bristle tooth tang. I added 2 tangs (purple and hippo) that were in QT into the tank. A week later got a shipment from Dr. reef of more wrasse and 2 anthias, 1 flame angel that were QTd

A few days later after everyone’s has been in the tank i noticed a slight dusting on the purple tang where his sides looked like they had specs on it. A few days after that my hippo started getting spots as well. Removed both back into QT none of the other fish had any signs of infection. When online and ordered a 25 watt UV from TMC. Sunday afternoon when I got home from work I saw 3 flasher and 2 fairy wrasse of my wrasse had a good mount of spots very very tiny on the upper parts of the body. And some specs on the clear part of their fins. It was late and I was exhausted so I fed them well and went to bed today the dots seem to have increased. From what I see the fish are all acting pretty normal when it comes to eating and swimming. Possibly Ich but I’m leaning more towards velvet. I tried to take pictures but they’re too fast and the sposts on the wrasse are so tiny they didn’t show in the photos.


Today I installed the UV sterilizer and started dosing H2o2 to help combat this until I figure out what’s the best course of action. So my issue is to take apart the aquascape and try and catch a lot of fish and the wrasse will be a real pain in the butt since some are sand sleepers.

Should I go crazy and remove the aquascape and catch all these fish and setup a 30 gal and 20 gal qT and put these fish inside and start copper? Or CP? Should I attempt to manage the outbreak with the UV and H2o2? The issue is it’s too many fish and I’ve lost more fish in QT. My white tail bristle tooth seems to be completely unaffected.

I assume you added the wrasses right away to display tank and may have gotten outbreak. As I often state, even with quarantined fish, assume they have something especially with stress of shipping and do your own quarantine to avoid this very risk. UV helps but will not erase what is pre-existing which you often dont see until parasites reach adult stage.
Please post pics and video of the fish with spots to determine if ich or skin irritation under bright white light intensity, no blue

The wrasse and 2 anthias came from Dr reef so I placed them straight into the DT

 

[bshake]

Hello everyone so I was slowly stocking my new reef tank with fish after a bunch of very unfortunate events that whipped out all my fish. Most of the fish in the tank are wrasse except for 2 blennies, 1 rabbit fish and 1 white trail bristle tooth tang. I added 2 tangs (purple and hippo) that were in QT into the tank. A week later got a shipment from Dr. reef of more wrasse and 2 anthias, 1 flame angel that were QTd

A few days later after everyone’s has been in the tank i noticed a slight dusting on the purple tang where his sides looked like they had specs on it. A few days after that my hippo started getting spots as well. Removed both back into QT none of the other fish had any signs of infection. When online and ordered a 25 watt UV from TMC. Sunday afternoon when I got home from work I saw 3 flasher and 2 fairy wrasse of my wrasse had a good mount of spots very very tiny on the upper parts of the body. And some specs on the clear part of their fins. It was late and I was exhausted so I fed them well and went to bed today the dots seem to have increased. From what I see the fish are all acting pretty normal when it comes to eating and swimming. Possibly Ich but I’m leaning more towards velvet. I tried to take pictures but they’re too fast and the sposts on the wrasse are so tiny they didn’t show in the photos.


Today I installed the UV sterilizer and started dosing H2o2 to help combat this until I figure out what’s the best course of action. So my issue is to take apart the aquascape and try and catch a lot of fish and the wrasse will be a real pain in the butt since some are sand sleepers.

Should I go crazy and remove the aquascape and catch all these fish and setup a 30 gal and 20 gal qT and put these fish inside and start copper? Or CP? Should I attempt to manage the outbreak with the UV and H2o2? The issue is it’s too many fish and I’ve lost more fish in QT. My white tail bristle tooth seems to be completely unaffected.

I assume you added the wrasses right away to display tank and may have gotten outbreak. As I often state, even with quarantined fish, assume they have something especially with stress of shipping and do your own quarantine to avoid this very risk. UV helps but will not erase what is pre-existing which you often dont see until parasites reach adult stage.
Please post pics and video of the fish with spots to determine if ich or skin irritation under bright white light intensity, no blue

Here are some photos under white light

 

[bshake]

Hello everyone so I was slowly stocking my new reef tank with fish after a bunch of very unfortunate events that whipped out all my fish. Most of the fish in the tank are wrasse except for 2 blennies, 1 rabbit fish and 1 white trail bristle tooth tang. I added 2 tangs (purple and hippo) that were in QT into the tank. A week later got a shipment from Dr. reef of more wrasse and 2 anthias, 1 flame angel that were QTd

A few days later after everyone’s has been in the tank i noticed a slight dusting on the purple tang where his sides looked like they had specs on it. A few days after that my hippo started getting spots as well. Removed both back into QT none of the other fish had any signs of infection. When online and ordered a 25 watt UV from TMC. Sunday afternoon when I got home from work I saw 3 flasher and 2 fairy wrasse of my wrasse had a good mount of spots very very tiny on the upper parts of the body. And some specs on the clear part of their fins. It was late and I was exhausted so I fed them well and went to bed today the dots seem to have increased. From what I see the fish are all acting pretty normal when it comes to eating and swimming. Possibly Ich but I’m leaning more towards velvet. I tried to take pictures but they’re too fast and the sposts on the wrasse are so tiny they didn’t show in the photos.


Today I installed the UV sterilizer and started dosing H2o2 to help combat this until I figure out what’s the best course of action. So my issue is to take apart the aquascape and try and catch a lot of fish and the wrasse will be a real pain in the butt since some are sand sleepers.

Should I go crazy and remove the aquascape and catch all these fish and setup a 30 gal and 20 gal qT and put these fish inside and start copper? Or CP? Should I attempt to manage the outbreak with the UV and H2o2? The issue is it’s too many fish and I’ve lost more fish in QT. My white tail bristle tooth seems to be completely unaffected.

Yes you should catch the fish and treat them with copper. Velvet in Marine fish does not present with 'dust' but rather breathing and other issues - so it sounds like Ich. It sounds like it's rapidly progressing - and FWIW H2O2 is broken down by UV. There is, however, an article on hyposalinity (if you don't have inverts in your tank) or ich management in the stickies at the top of the forum. Again - I'm presuming ich based on symptoms. Without pictures/videos and more history, it's difficult. What did you QT them with?

I added someone photos below

 

[bshake]

Hello everyone so I was slowly stocking my new reef tank with fish after a bunch of very unfortunate events that whipped out all my fish. Most of the fish in the tank are wrasse except for 2 blennies, 1 rabbit fish and 1 white trail bristle tooth tang. I added 2 tangs (purple and hippo) that were in QT into the tank. A week later got a shipment from Dr. reef of more wrasse and 2 anthias, 1 flame angel that were QTd

A few days later after everyone’s has been in the tank i noticed a slight dusting on the purple tang where his sides looked like they had specs on it. A few days after that my hippo started getting spots as well. Removed both back into QT none of the other fish had any signs of infection. When online and ordered a 25 watt UV from TMC. Sunday afternoon when I got home from work I saw 3 flasher and 2 fairy wrasse of my wrasse had a good mount of spots very very tiny on the upper parts of the body. And some specs on the clear part of their fins. It was late and I was exhausted so I fed them well and went to bed today the dots seem to have increased. From what I see the fish are all acting pretty normal when it comes to eating and swimming. Possibly Ich but I’m leaning more towards velvet. I tried to take pictures but they’re too fast and the sposts on the wrasse are so tiny they didn’t show in the photos.


Today I installed the UV sterilizer and started dosing H2o2 to help combat this until I figure out what’s the best course of action. So my issue is to take apart the aquascape and try and catch a lot of fish and the wrasse will be a real pain in the butt since some are sand sleepers.

Should I go crazy and remove the aquascape and catch all these fish and setup a 30 gal and 20 gal qT and put these fish inside and start copper? Or CP? Should I attempt to manage the outbreak with the UV and H2o2? The issue is it’s too many fish and I’ve lost more fish in QT. My white tail bristle tooth seems to be completely unaffected.

The description sounds like ich to me, but pics would help with the diagnosis.

Once ich spots reach a moderate number, you won’t be able to manage it with UV and you’ll need to pull all of the fish and treat with copper or hyposalinity.

Here’s a video along with the photos I just posted of them eating and acting normal

 

[vetteguy53081]

Here are some photos under white light

Yes, I do see ich and wrasses can tolerate coppersafe at level 2.15 - 2.25 for a full 30 days with air stone added and keep an eye on ammonia level with a reliable ammonia test kit. Also add a bowl or two of fine sand for them

 

[bshake]

Thank you! So you don’t think it’s velvet?

 

[ReefED!]

Just a heads up - I have not found peroxide dosing to be effective at all in managing ich outbreaks.

 

[MnFish1]

Thank you! So you don’t think it’s velvet?

It is not velvet as far as the picture you sent - its ich. There are also multiple spots on your glass - making it slightly difficult - but this is not how velvet behaves/looks.

 

[MnFish1]

FWIW, whether its ich, velvet, flukes or anything else - except perhaps uronema - all of the fish in your tank need to be treated when a parasitic disease is present.

 

[bshake]

Just a heads up - I have not found peroxide dosing to be effective at all in managing ich outbreaks.

Yeah I just removed all the fish I think these wrasse are a pain to find in a 6 foot sanded lol

 

[bshake]

FWIW, whether its ich, velvet, flukes or anything else - except perhaps uronema - all of the fish in your tank need to be treated when a parasitic disease is present.

Yeah I just removed them all and placed them in QT and started copper power

 

[MnFish1]

Yeah I just removed them all and placed them in QT and started copper power

I think this is the best course - make sure levels are non-toxic, yet theraputic as much as you can in your situation

 

[bshake]

Yeah I just removed them all and placed them in QT and started copper power

I think this is the best course - make sure levels are non-toxic, yet theraputic as much as you can in your situation

I gave them a 30 minute peroxide bath and put them in at 1.4 PPM and will raise it to 2.0 by Thursday. I have so many wrasse and 2 anthias so I can’t bring the levels up to fast but they seem to be still doing good.

 

[bshake]

Since the DT has to remain fallow for the next 6 weeks can I QT the fish @ 2.0 PPM of copper power for that period of time? Instead of 2.4ppm for the 30 days?