So, I was going to comment on all this is mute if the "Rumor" is not true....
Moot. (Sorry, couldn't resist; it's such a dumb word and it always reminds me of that Friends episode.)
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So, I was going to comment on all this is mute if the "Rumor" is not true....
*moot
(sorry...OCD)
Moot. (Sorry, couldn't resist; it's such a dumb word and it always reminds me of that Friends episode.)
Oceans are getting depleted, just think how much is being taken..... they had to do something before it was too lateHearing rumors that coral exports from Indonesia has been shut down. Any info on that?
Hearing rumors that coral exports from Indonesia has been shut down. Any info on that?
I agree completely. Even unified we'd still be a small voice. But we cant even unify.
I think part of it comes from divisions within the hobby -- theres no shortage of reefing forum posters who say "wild collected corals don't survive anyway". There are people selling frags for several hundred dollars, daydreaming about how much theyll get to raise prices. There are people who don't have tangs so they arent worried about bans on tangs. etc.
Its short sighted. As you correctly note, *everyone* in the hobby will be harmed by the continuing closures.
First they came for the tangs, but I didnt have tangs so I didnt speak up...
At the very least, our hobby and associated industries should speak with a unified voice, small as that voice would be.
This was posted earlier.
https://reefbuilders.com/2018/05/04/there-is-no-ban-on-indonesian-corals/
Oceans are getting depleted, just think how much is being taken..... they had to do something before it was too late
I would prefer to buy corals from a farm than have them taken from the ocean.
Just a personal preference.
Fish as well. Even if there were studies that say there are sustainable populations in the ocean. Unless they were outgrowing their environment and it couldn’t sustain the population. Then harvest some to help the corals thrive. Most of my corals were given to me from others fragging their corals, looking for someone to take them.
I know it would be much more expensive to buy corals. We have some great facilities in Florida that do this already.
Wouldn't we all but the hobby is no where near close on the fish side yet unless you just want clowns and a few gobies. But with the loss of all the other fish there would be a shortage of them too.. A few aquaculture facilities is not enough to supply the mount of people in this hobby world wide. .
ORA has quite the selection of fish. Biota is doing some nice work with fish as well. Aquaculture has come a long way. But of course not enough to supply the world for sure.
I’m with you. It’s my dream to have my own invertebrate aquaculture farm some day.... yeah, it requires tons of money time and effort, but I’m going for it anyway.
I know all about Tom Bowling of Biota, I also know about ORA but I would bet those two places are not large enough to support even 10 percent of the hobby just in the US alone right now if we lost everything. The hobby has a ways to go so I hope the rug does not get pulled out. A few successes right now with a few tangs even.. Also with tangs being collected post larval stage and captive raised is a valid option which has little impact..Right now have aqua-cultured tang. Wasn't cheap but also not to bad either and I bet most would pay a little more for them..
I would prefer to buy corals from a farm than have them taken from the ocean.
Just a personal preference.
Fish as well. Even if there were studies that say there are sustainable populations in the ocean. Unless they were outgrowing their environment and it couldn’t sustain the population. Then harvest some to help the corals thrive. Most of my corals were given to me from others fragging their corals, looking for someone to take them.
I know it would be much more expensive to buy corals. We have some great facilities in Florida that do this already.
I think most people wouldn’t mind paying a bit more for livestock that is of better quality when it makes it way to our tanks.
Has anyone from the industry, aquarium specific, begun to create any type of trade group to lobby on it's own behalf.