You dont know that the fish are immune - you know they dont get ich. You know nothing about their immune systems.The Plague (of which there were three types ) was actually spread by gerbels in China. But what do I know!
I don't know the common denominator in our tanks. But they are all immune.
This is incorrect. Much of the bacteria is killed when frozen that would still be viable when fresh.
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At least 5 different persons living in 3 different countries have the same experiences with keeping systems that´s disease free but not free of patogens. At least 4 of us have been aquarists for decades and are 60 + of age. We have different setups, some have reversed under gravel filters, some ozone, some oxydators and so on. None of the systems is in a technical point of view the same. But there is one holy grail that is common for all. We run natural system with a very high biodiversity and as diverse bacteria population as possible. The tanks are also mature with a lot of corals and other filtrating animals like sponges (my tank is probably the youngest – only 2 year). We also try to have as stress free environment as possible – knowing that more than 90 % of fish diseases are stress related
I think that Lowell Lemon point out one important thing
When I constructed my present aquaria – I try to make a system that concluded everything I had learned during more than 45 years as an aquarist and during my professional life since 1986. At that time, I have not heard about any Paul B, najer or atoll but my system ended up rather like theirs. It looks like our thinking has been out for a convergent evolution (use Google
My tank is well described in my build thread, but I can say that I do not run any mechanical filter (more than a small sponge filter in order to farm bacteria that I squeeze out now and then). I do not run UV. I do not run ozone. I do run an oxydator but mostly because I want to take away yellowing substances. I do use a skimmer but do not collect the skimmate (it goes back to the DT) I do not clean my sump, my sand or whatever. For the moment no GFO. I do not use mud or thing collected from the coast of Sweden (However I do use snails from our west coast)
Some of you may not believe in our experiences but my answer is “E pur si muove” (use Google again
Sincerely Lasse
At least 5 different persons living in 3 different countries have the same experiences with keeping systems that´s disease free but not free of patogens. At least 4 of us have been aquarists for decades and are 60 + of age. We have different setups, some have reversed under gravel filters, some ozone, some oxydators and so on. None of the systems is in a technical point of view the same. But there is one holy grail that is common for all. We run natural system with a very high biodiversity and as diverse bacteria population as possible. The tanks are also mature with a lot of corals and other filtrating animals like sponges (my tank is probably the youngest – only 2 year). We also try to have as stress free environment as possible – knowing that more than 90 % of fish diseases are stress related
I think that Lowell Lemon point out one important thing
When I constructed my present aquaria – I try to make a system that concluded everything I had learned during more than 45 years as an aquarist and during my professional life since 1986. At that time, I have not heard about any Paul B, najer or atoll but my system ended up rather like theirs. It looks like our thinking has been out for a convergent evolution (use Google
My tank is well described in my build thread, but I can say that I do not run any mechanical filter (more than a small sponge filter in order to farm bacteria that I squeeze out now and then). I do not run UV. I do not run ozone. I do run an oxydator but mostly because I want to take away yellowing substances. I do use a skimmer but do not collect the skimmate (it goes back to the DT) I do not clean my sump, my sand or whatever. For the moment no GFO. I do not use mud or thing collected from the coast of Sweden (However I do use snails from our west coast)
Some of you may not believe in our experiences but my answer is “E pur si muove” (use Google again
Sincerely Lasse
At least 5 different persons living in 3 different countries have the same experiences with keeping systems that´s disease free but not free of patogens. At least 4 of us have been aquarists for decades and are 60 + of age. We have different setups, some have reversed under gravel filters, some ozone, some oxydators and so on. None of the systems is in a technical point of view the same. But there is one holy grail that is common for all. We run natural system with a very high biodiversity and as diverse bacteria population as possible. The tanks are also mature with a lot of corals and other filtrating animals like sponges (my tank is probably the youngest – only 2 year). We also try to have as stress free environment as possible – knowing that more than 90 % of fish diseases are stress related
I think that Lowell Lemon point out one important thing
When I constructed my present aquaria – I try to make a system that concluded everything I had learned during more than 45 years as an aquarist and during my professional life since 1986. At that time, I have not heard about any Paul B, najer or atoll but my system ended up rather like theirs. It looks like our thinking has been out for a convergent evolution (use Google
My tank is well described in my build thread, but I can say that I do not run any mechanical filter (more than a small sponge filter in order to farm bacteria that I squeeze out now and then). I do not run UV. I do not run ozone. I do run an oxydator but mostly because I want to take away yellowing substances. I do use a skimmer but do not collect the skimmate (it goes back to the DT) I do not clean my sump, my sand or whatever. For the moment no GFO. I do not use mud or thing collected from the coast of Sweden (However I do use snails from our west coast)
Some of you may not believe in our experiences but my answer is “E pur si muove” (use Google again
Sincerely Lasse
While it is true that most native people in malaria endemic regions are less susceptible to malaria than say tourists from America it's a lot more complex than you make it seem. No one is really sure why this happens but natural selection over many generations (G6PD deficiency, thalassemia, sickle trait, various differences in immune system genetics) certainly plays a large role. From the quick literature search I've done it does seem that people from these backgrounds tend to fair well when exposed to malaria, even if they are not continuously exposed to it.
Can I ask how did probiotics get into this? I have never heard of using these in a tank. I really don't know why I have had pretty good success with fish, I still am one that will go to Petco and if they have something I am interested in and it looks sick I will bargain with them and bring it home. A sick fish need the best involvement it can get so into the display it goes. Yeah sometimes they are to sick but if they die it gives everything else something to eat
Probiotics have come up short in recent years in terms of evidence underlying their use. I personally take them (was advised by a GI doc) but it's questionable how much they really help. There are quite a few probiotics available but IIRC only lactobacillus has been shown to be of any benefit for GI health (in people that need it), and even there the evidence is weak.
