Micro Scrubbing Bubbles.

[HenryReefer]

I do it every night. I see a huge improvement in the water clarity and most of all coal color. A few min after the bubbles start u see the corals relating this slime and what ever detritus is left at the bottom of the tank or on the rocks is attached to the bubbles and goes to the over flow. I love the micro bubble method. And will continue to do it every night while I'm sleeping.

 

[edosan]

Well I am a bubbler too, works great, woodstone in return pump, and antisync on vortech do the job to send bubbles everywhere
To remove ditritus first you need to shake it, and that will not work too good at night, i do 6 hours at night and 15 min ech 2 hours.
Fish gas d. Nono ....with airstone and no large plumbing setup. For the disease you need flow, presure and temp (low), and preasure is not there in normal setups, so the gas do not get disloved on water.
Bubbling for me is a big thumbs up

 

[Bleulove]

I have been doing this for over a month now,I did 10hours a night for the first week and now doing 3hours a night, I have polyps on acro's that never had polyps before and my skimmer is Taking out much more crud than it ever has, my Sands cleaner and my water is crystal clear. I personally love it and would highly recommend it, and its cheap to set up.

Hi can someone just plz simply explain to me how to set it up, what I will need & if I should put the bubbles directly in my DT or have them flow up from the sump?

 

[edosan]

Get a wood difuser, an air pump and a timer.
Just install the woodstone under the returnpump intake, and you are set. Plug the airpump and set the timer as you wish

 

[Squamosa]

I'm still bubbling and gathering data :)

 

[Cruz_Arias]

Hi.... I'm not quit getting how or what you use to make the micro bubbles, especially if you say do not put it in the sump, it should be fresh air?,.. Plz explain in detail

@Bleulove This means you place your air pump or air intake near a window or an outdoor air area.

The sump is an area of high CO2 degassing in the system especially one with closed doors in the stand...

 

[Thales]

As the person attempting to disprove/discredit the method, should it not be on you to do so.

I am not trying to disprove/discredit the method. Even if I were it is not up to me to disprove it, the 'burden of proof' is on the people making the claims.

There are several people in this thread that have had success with this method.

There are also people that insist they have success curing ich with garlic, but that doesn't make it so. Anecdote has its place but it also has major limitations.

Those people are in no way trying to force you or anyone else to try this, they are however sharing their experiences.

I am doing the same.

If you are so dead set against this for the "negative" or "assumed positive" effects it should be you that's proves your point.

Again, for the nth time, I want this to work, however the evidence is underwhelming. Again, the burden of proof is on the people making the claim.

Those who have voiced this method as successful have provide information (i.e. Photos, process, and duration) I say it's now up to you to do the same to the contrary. MTC.

There have been many that have actually done that - photos, process and duration showing no difference. They are ignored. Photo, process and duration do not support claims like raises pH (how much?), stabilizes pH (how stable, and how different from not bubbling?) and faster growth (faster than what? How fast? How is that different from the regular kind of growth see?).

 

[fishtankpete]

Hi can someone just plz simply explain to me how to set it up, what I will need & if I should put the bubbles directly in my DT or have them flow up from the sump?

I just tied a limewood air block to the underside of a wave maker, I used a 100ltr per hr air pump and put it on a timer

 

[fishtankpete]

I am not trying to disprove/discredit the method. Even if I were it is not up to me to disprove it, the 'burden of proof' is on the people making the claims.



There are also people that insist they have success curing ich with garlic, but that doesn't make it so. Anecdote has its place but it also has major limitations.



I am doing the same.



Again, for the nth time, I want this to work, however the evidence is underwhelming. Again, the burden of proof is on the people making the claim.



There have been many that have actually done that - photos, process and duration showing no difference. They are ignored. Photo, process and duration do not support claims like raises pH (how much?), stabilizes pH (how stable, and how different from not bubbling?) and faster growth (faster than what? How fast? How is that different from the regular kind of growth se

 

[Thales]

I just tied a limewood air block to the underside of a wave maker, I used a 100ltr per hr air pump and put it on a timer

I did that as well. Since I did not see any change in pH or cyano I expect to be told I am 'doing it wrong' when I post the pH graphs and photos of cyano. I expect that if you report that it 'worked' they will say you did it right even though we did the same thing.

 

[fishtankpete]

I don't care personally,how it works but I do know it does my corals have improved and my tank looks so much better since I started bubbling, so for me it's a no brainer.

 

[Thales]

Wait till you buy Cruz's new S.C.A.M (he named it not me) - I am sure you will feel that your tank is even more improved.

 

[jedimasterben]

I expect that if you report that it 'worked' they will say you did it right even though we did the same thing.

This is exactly what I had asked the person that PMed me telling me that I'm expecting too much of bubbling lol. I asked if his message would have been different (or not sent at all) if I had posted that my detritus pile had just disappeared, and they said the following:

No because a pile of ditritus would consist of millons of heavy pariticles that are already clumping and binding together on the bottom of your tank. You could put a bubbler directly on top of that pile and see no results. Thats not how microscrubbing works. If you were able to get proper flow in your tank, the microbubbles will keep this stuff from settling so heavy on your floor.

Which is kind of funny considering their post earlier in this thread that says the following:

I believe microscrubbing removes the large particles that sps and corals can't use and makes more room for the particles be it plankton or fish poo that sps do use, it is also removing the large particles that would normally get stuck on sps surface, allowing them to "stretch their legs out" a little more than usual. You have to figure for every 1 bubble, that's 1 large particle or cluster of medium particles being removed from the water column.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

Wait till you buy Cruz's new S.C.A.M (he named it not me) - I am sure you will feel that your tank is even more improved.

BTW... it's not for sale... it was the prototype's name.

I was honestly juggling a few names around in my head... but "Bubbler" was already taken.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

There are more ways to skin a cat...
I personally set mine up like this...

 

[reef_ranch]

Self Contained Air Micronizer?

Yeah... that was a joke, Richard... LOL

I figured it had to be a set up. Pretty bold joke to make before the evidence is in though...

 

[Thales]

I figured it had to be a set up. Pretty bold joke to make before the evidence is in though...

Yes. With some of the stuff that has been seriously claimed it is hard to know if anything is a joke or not.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

I figured it had to be a set up. Pretty bold joke to make before the evidence is in though...

It's called confidence with the other successful applications in the manufacturing industries and waste water treatment management facilities practicing the methods that I've been part of going on 20 years in my career.

It was only natural to apply knowledge from work to my hobbies.

To bubbles, this is just another body of water to "clean up"

 

[Cruz_Arias]

Yes. With some of the stuff that has been seriously claimed it is hard to know if anything is a joke or not.

Such as?

Honestly your lack of deference and unprofessional attitude is extremely boorish.

You state broad claims of running this method for a day but you had no photos, no pictures, and no measured values...
Please quantify your failure.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

OK... to dispel a few false myths some people are spreading.

Myth: Scrubbing Bubbles gets rid of Dinoflagellates

Aeration ALONE WILL NOT get rid of Dinoflagellates or Severe Circumstance of Cyano Bacteria.

You still need to siphon out as much visible dinoflagellates as possible... and then apply this methodology immediately after.
This is called bacterial out competition of the dinoflagellates and out crowding... without having to do a black out and stress out your corals and reef inhabitants.

This is NOT MAGIC... this is Darwinism in Biology. if you cannot beat them one on one. beat them in numbers. Hence, inducing a controlled bacterial bloom while aerating the system keeps the oxygen levels high to sustain the aerobic and heterotrophic bacteria population to be larger than that of the dinoflagellate population.

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