The real Black Box light study

[lancesmith1]

I am 100% in favor of keeping this going if it and it is and is legitimate which I believe the numbers are,,, However, I am going to address the 600 lb. Gorilla in MY room... My concern is that this study started like a ball of fire and then fizzled out with no bang other than the NOOP's were the next best thing to sliced bread. And... then we discover he or a friend has become the distributer of the NOOP's. What a coincidence... If you continue to read the thread about when and why this thread fizzled out you can draw your own conclusions. The OP was pretty consistant in responding to other threads they had open and and pretty much went silent after the NOOP promo got rolling. FWIW I am not denying that it is a potential choice for the right application and I would try them myself. However, I cant be the only reefer reading between the lines on this.., Am I?

 

[Manose]

I am 100% in favor of keeping this going if it and it is and is legitimate which I believe the numbers are,,, However, I am going to address the 600 lb. Gorilla in MY room... My concern is that this study started like a ball of fire and then fizzled out with no bang other than the NOOP's were the next best thing to sliced bread. And... then we discover he or a friend has become the distributer of the NOOP's. What a coincidence... If you continue to read the thread about when and why this thread fizzled out you can draw your own conclusions. The OP was pretty consistant in responding to other threads they had open and and pretty much went silent after the NOOP promo got rolling. FWIW I am not denying that it is a potential choice for the right application and I would try them myself. However, I cant be the only reefer reading between the lines on this.., Am I?

Say what you want about between the lines but I ALWAYS was totally unbiased in my study. If you are inferring that I was paid or compensated for my study on the Noopsyche light then you are way out of bounds in my book.
I only went to help Noopsyche after the study and have all the emails and correspondents to prove it. I did my job for them and got them with a USA distributor so my goal for them was finished.
The number one thing I have to ask is do we want to continue to look at other black box lights and give them a fair evaluation or look elsewhere?

 

[hart24601]

Say what you want about between the lines but I ALWAYS was totally unbiased in my study. If you are inferring that I was paid or compensated for my study on the Noopsyche light then you are way out of bounds in my book.
I only went to help Noopsyche after the study and have all the emails and correspondents to prove it. I did my job for them and got them with a USA distributor so my goal for them was finished.
The number one thing I have to ask is do we want to continue to look at other black box lights and give them a fair evaluation or look elsewhere?

Lots of great stuff in the thread, and helping to bring more lights to market is a good thing without a doubt, but due to that involvement it's probably better if someone else takes over the reigns. Just to avoid this sort of speculation even if it's false.

 

[cvrle1]

What people quickly forget is that OP was using his own money to purchase all of the lights. He didnt get a single light donated, even though he tried. As has been said many times, to me at least it looks like he tested noopsyche same way, with same equipment as all other BBs. I am not sure why folks think there was bias, something malicious or any reading between the lines needed. Sure, NP provided lights for study, but all other companies had that that offered to them as well. I am 100% certain that study and numbers shown would have been same if he paid for NP lights in the 1st place and had no dealings with them afterwards. He even tested some other lights that people were really interested in, but only difference is that he didnt have any dealings with them once numbers were posted (he did post links where they can be purchased several times). It just happened that there was more buzz and interest about NP lights, and things unexpectedly took off. Hell, it was me that suggested to noopsyche that they they should look into BB study that was just getting under way, in case they were interested in donating some lights.

As for someone else picking this up and continuing with it, it is easier said than done. I doubt there is a single person out there that would want to spend their own money on something like this, which as mentioned was precisely what manose did.

 

[MarineGP]

Have periodically followed this thread .... And value it ... Thank you

 

[lancesmith1]

My question.is... do you know (I did my job for them and got them with a USA distributor) and do you continue to have a relationship with them? And, do you derive benefits from this relationship? Again, I am not questioning the light performace and quality per say. And then ... Why are you so a quick to promote personal issues all of the suudden while in the mean time responding to other threads you had open.

 

[cvrle1]

My question.is... do you know (I did my job for them and got them with a USA distributor) and do you continue to have a relationship with them? And, do you derive benefits from this relationship? Again, I am not questioning the light performace and quality per say. And then ... Why are you so a quick to promote personal issues all of the suudden while in the mean time responding to other threads you had open.

Jeebus, you sound like prosecutor grilling defendant during a trial. I guess we can ask you same questions, as you dealt with them and got them US distribution. It sound like you didnt get anything out of it, when you expected something in return, and now you are holding a grudge against them. I understand that you are trying to uncover a conspiracy theory, but did you ever think that maybe there isnt one at all? Not sure why you have such a massive axe to grind with this, but it surely would help to know full story from your end, as clearly there is a story you arent telling.

 

[Manose]

I thank everyone for their input on this matter and the best thing for me to do is go lay down, finish watching season 1 on Game of Thrones, before making any type of critical decision on what I will do with this thread.

My question.is... do you know (I did my job for them and got them with a USA distributor) and do you continue to have a relationship with them? And, do you derive benefits from this relationship? Again, I am not questioning the light performace and quality per say. And then ... Why are you so a quick to promote personal issues all of the suudden while in the mean time responding to other threads you had open.

Let me answer your questions one by one
1.No I do not have a working relationship with Noopsyche anymore.
2.The only benefit I derive now is telling them that the controller they have is very sub par and not be afraid of getting upsetting emails from them.
3. to do this study I have to drive 1.5 hours away just to use the tank I have setup, so it was easy to answer questions about my tank or the other thread I had on Noopsyche which I had closed down after we parted ways.
I hope this answers your questions and many others that people may have as I have adequately explained my relationship with Noopsyche.

 

[lancesmith1]

Dude - who are you addresing this to? I dont sell anything period.... I just purchase. Again, I am not questioning the qualuity / performance of the light. It just seems like this turned into a promotion for the NOOP LED to me.

 

[Jonreefer]

My question.is... do you know (I did my job for them and got them with a USA distributor) and do you continue to have a relationship with them? And, do you derive benefits from this relationship? Again, I am not questioning the light performace and quality per say. And then ... Why are you so a quick to promote personal issues all of the suudden while in the mean time responding to other threads you had open.

Someone overpaid for an ecotech product it sounds like lol

 

[lancesmith1]

1.No I do not have a working relationship with Noopsyche anymore.

so there you go.... the flameout...

 

[lancesmith1]

I currently use a ATI Powermodule Hybrid FYI.

 

[lancesmith1]

Someone overpaid for an ecotech product it sounds like lol

These work as good a any I have tried as well.

 

[lancesmith1]

Someone overpaid for an ecotech product it sounds like lol

why do you say that when I dont use this product and you would have no idea if I did? ARE YOU A TROLL?

 

[dantimdad]

What people quickly forget is that OP was using his own money to purchase all of the lights. He didnt get a single light donated, even though he tried. As has been said many times, to me at least it looks like he tested noopsyche same way, with same equipment as all other BBs. I am not sure why folks think there was bias, something malicious or any reading between the lines needed. Sure, NP provided lights for study, but all other companies had that that offered to them as well. I am 100% certain that study and numbers shown would have been same if he paid for NP lights in the 1st place and had no dealings with them afterwards. He even tested some other lights that people were really interested in, but only difference is that he didnt have any dealings with them once numbers were posted (he did post links where they can be purchased several times). It just happened that there was more buzz and interest about NP lights, and things unexpectedly took off. Hell, it was me that suggested to noopsyche that they they should look into BB study that was just getting under way, in case they were interested in donating some lights.

As for someone else picking this up and continuing with it, it is easier said than done. I doubt there is a single person out there that would want to spend their own money on something like this, which as mentioned was precisely what manose did.

Thanks for this. I appreciate your input. I couldn't agree more.

 

[lancesmith1]

How mant NOOPs does the OP or his (friend??? ) run now and what did they pay for the lot of them? maybe the NOOP people got shammed lol...

 

[dantimdad]

@lancesmith1 knock it off.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

[NY_Caveman]

@Manose you do not have to explain yourself any more than you already have. This was a study in a hobby forum you took on out of interest and offered it to help others. Users can make their own determination on the validity and are free to recreate the test themselves. In my opinion you and others have done valuable work at great expense of time and money.

 

[JimFuller]

@Manose I have refrained from commenting to this point. In my opinion, you have provided some interesting information. I thank you for it and the work you did.

If you decide to continue, I will use the information gladly. I do not have the ability nor desire to do a project like this.

However, if you decide not to continue. I will, also, support you. I think we should do what we enjoy.

Either way, I will stick with the saying " Happy Reefing ".

Jim

 

[Lowell Lemon]

How mant NOOPs does the OP or his (friend??? ) run now and what did they pay for the lot of them? maybe the NOOP people got shammed lol...

I noticed in passing these pages you have 407 posts and only 76 likes....there is this book called how to win friends and influence people...you should pick up copy and read it. Have a great day!;Blackeye