What makes a Holy Grail ??

[J.Trimz]

I hear the words Holy Grail. what makes a piece of coral "Holy Grail?"

 

[Lasse]

A coral that all want and that is impossible to get and if you get it - its not longer a Holy Grail by definition because its a myth and do not exist - IMO

Sincerely Lasse

 

[exnisstech]

There is a "Holy Grail" torch coral.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/best-holy-grail-torch.974989/

 

[VintageReefer]

It’s a type of torch that is electric green with shimmer/accents of yellow

There is also holy grail micromussa

 

[Lasse]

There is a "Holy Grail" torch coral.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/best-holy-grail-torch.974989/

It’s a type of torch that is electric green with shimmer/accents of yellow

There is also holy grail micromussa

Yes - but if you ask me - to have people to believe in this - that´s the holy grail in advertising

Someone get the idea of much $$$$$ with a catchy name and there you goo

Sincerely Lasse

 

[VintageReefer]

Yes - but if you ask me - to have people to believe in this - that´s the holy grail in advertising

Someone get the idea of much $$$$$ with a catchy name and there you goo

Sincerely Lasse

Yes, the name carries a higher price. But it’s not a meaningless name. It’s a type of torch with distinct characteristics, just like any other named coral. There’s attributes behind it. Just like a hellfire or Knicks or joker torch. Each one of these is a distinct type of torch, with identifiable characteristics.

Now, with holy grail torch, there are a lot of imposters and fakes. This is a situation where someone has an inexpensive bright green torch and throws “holy grail” in the name to try and get more money. A cotton candy torch for example is a cheaper torch, bright green, but has zero traces of yellow in the tentacles. These are sometimes mislabeled - intentionally or unintentionally, and sold as holy grail, for 3-5x the actual value/worth.

Holy grail should have yellow shine/shimmer/accents. It’s not a regular bright green torch

 

[CHSUB]

I have several “holy grails” for sale….it is amazing how fast they reproduce to also fetch such a high price. Mine are priced competitively at $500 plus shipping and no DOA guarantee, however, they are extremely hearty. I generally include a Berghia as a “feebie”….

 

[penfold2]

I hear the words Holy Grail. what makes a piece of coral "Holy Grail?"

There's no qualification, it's just a name chosen to reflect its rarity and desirability. The torch and micromussa are the only ones I know of specifically, but there are probably some acros and/or zoas as well.

 

[Lasse]

Yes, the name carries a higher price. But it’s not a meaningless name. It’s a type of torch with distinct characteristics, just like any other named coral. There’s attributes behind it. Just like a hellfire or Knicks or joker torch. Each one of these is a distinct type of torch, with identifiable characteristics.

Now, with holy grail torch, there are a lot of imposters and fakes. This is a situation where someone has an inexpensive bright green torch and throws “holy grail” in the name to try and get more money. A cotton candy torch for example is a cheaper torch, bright green, but has zero traces of yellow in the tentacles. These are sometimes mislabeled - intentionally or unintentionally, and sold as holy grail, for 3-5x the actual value/worth.

Holy grail should have yellow shine/shimmer/accents. It’s not a regular bright green torch

Its sounds like you think its a scientific name - its not - its the first seller that give it that name and therefore sets the standard what´s a holy grail really is. In a couple of years - there will be 10,000 of them for sale - will they still be named holy grail when it is a common coral? This is Tick-Tock reefing - IMO

Sincerely Lasse

 

[56longroof]

Its just a marketing ploy. And a very overpriced one.

 

[VintageReefer]

Its sounds like you think its a scientific name - its not - its the first seller that give it that name and therefore sets the standard what´s a holy grail really is. In a couple of years - there will be 10,000 of them for sale - will they still be named holy grail when it is a common coral? This is Tick-Tock reefing - IMO

Sincerely Lasse

It is not a scientific name, but a trade name given to identify a torch with specific colors. It seems you are against the naming of corals. Would you suggest all stony coral should be “acropora” or “Millipora”

 

[Lasse]

It is not a scientific name, but a trade name given to identify a torch with specific colors. It seems you are against the naming of corals. Would you suggest all stony coral should be “acropora” or “Millipora”

I´m not against naming corals - I´m against to name them with fantasy name in order to sell them for fantasy prices. Describe them with colours - like above - is also misleading because colours vary even inside a certain clone and they can change. Colours are often an expression from the coral to certain environment and lighting circumstances.

In this case - it is an Euphyllia glabrescens that´s mostly display bright green and with a hint of yellow colours

Sincerely Lasse

 

[JayM]

What makes a Holy Grail?
A greenish yellow torch with a ridiculously high price tag.

FWIW, I saw some torches at RAP Anaheim 2 years ago for less than $50 a head that looked like $300 Holy Grails, but without the name. I should have bought some as I like the look, but refuse to pay 100's of dollars for a name.

 

[p1u5h13r4m24]

These are all holy grails. Front to back. Front is a true og asd holy grail from 2018. Next is a prenup holy grail then new holy grail strains. N behind that is a pink tip hg new strain

 

[p1u5h13r4m24]

These are all holy grails. Front to back. Front is a true og asd holy grail from 2018. Next is a prenup holy grail then new holy grail strains. N behind that is a pink tip hg new strain

Also if you’re wondering why the price difference is so much. The older strains don’t get imported any more and look much nicer and yellow (imo). The yellow and green are separate. The new holy grail strains are more highlighter green but the yellow is only shown when the tentacles are retracted a bit. I hope this helps

 

[p1u5h13r4m24]

What makes a Holy Grail?
A greenish yellow torch with a ridiculously high price tag.

FWIW, I saw some torches at RAP Anaheim 2 years ago for less than $50 a head that looked like $300 Holy Grails, but without the name. I should have bought some as I like the look, but refuse to pay 100's of dollars for a name.

Those were probably dragon tamers. When cooked long enough they too are stunning pieces

 

[NanoSteam]

I don't know who started the naming craze, and while they're marketing geniuses for getting folks to dump thousands of dollars on tiny frags like they're collectible Pokemon cards I despise them.

 

[Evil1]

Soon there will be a holy grail Goni! And they will ask top dollar for it as Gonie’s seem to be the current “got to have” corals. I remember when they were in the cheap starter coral category. Now getting top dollar! No offense to Goni! Lol

 

[slingfox]

I don’t see much point arguing over price since that is not what the OP asked about (I don’t think). Markets will dictate price whether low or high.

As noted by @VintageReefer Holy Grail most commonly refer to very bright bright green torches with yellow accents on the tentacles. The brighter and more yellow accenting the more sought after. Holy Grail also refers to a type of micromusa. If you plan to collect torches, Holy Grails are a nice addition. Availability is increasing since the coral exporters primarily from Indo and Malaysia have keyed into the market demand so I see them being sold by more LFS and vendors at coral shows.

 

[BryanM]

Also it should be noted that people advertise HG when the torch is not... Some people are just kinda criminal like that, so be careful if that's really what you want.

It's also why finding venders with truer pics is so important.