Adding kalkwasser to tropic marin part c

[crustbottle]

I currently use BRS two part hybrid tropic marin. So, i dose brs soda ash, brs calcium chloride, and tropic marin part c. Then i add the tropic marin trace elements.

Im looking for ways to increase my ph i currently have my protein skimmer pulling in fresh air from outside. Which has raised my ph to about 8.0 during the night and 8.1 during the day.

My question is it possible to add kalwasser to part c of tropic marin? Since it does not have calcium or alk and i could get a little bit more of a ph boost when my part c gets dosed. Or would that cause issues and would it preticipate other things that are in part c?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

No. There will be massive precipitation of magnesium hydroxide and calcium sulfate.

 

[crustbottle]

No. There will be massive precipitation of magnesium hydroxide and calcium sulfate.

Thanks

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

You're welcome.

Happy Reefing.

 

[Drewbacca]

No. There will be massive precipitation of magnesium hydroxide and calcium sulfate.

A reactor with co2 scrubbing media recirculated by pulling from outer edge lid of skimmer is a big help for PH. The media is essentially has same or similar to kalk in it I heard.. does the same thing you want but by pulling in through skimmer air instead of water but unlike outside air. it's taking out lots of co2 instead of just putting in air that has a low amount. (I think..lol ) I know it works well for me)

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

A reactor with co2 scrubbing media recirculated by pulling from outer edge lid of skimmer is a big help for PH. The media is essentially has same or similar to kalk in it I heard.. does the same thing you want but by pulling in through skimmer air instead of water but unlike outside air. it's taking out lots of co2 instead of just putting in air that has a low amount. (I think..lol ) I know it works well for me)

Yes, a CO2 scrubber on a skimmer inlet can certainly be helpful to raise pH, as can using outside air for the skimmer inlet. A scrubber out outside air is even better since the Co2 may be even lower, and the media will last longer.

 

[arking_mark]

If you're looking for a complete dosing regiment based on Kalkwasser, here is what I've been toying with that will provide equivalent All-for-Reef supplements. It's a 3-part dosing regiment that takes care of all major and minor ions/elements. You need to monitor pH and Alk for dosing.

1. Saturated Kalkwasser
2. 12g TM Bio-magnesium w/ 900ml of RODI and 100ml of TM K+
3. 900ml of RODI and 100ml of TM A-

For each ml of Kalkwasser dose .1ml of each of the Mag/K+ and A-. (You can concentrate 2 & 3 so as to dose less RODI with them. You can't combine them!)

Recommended initial dosing for All-for-Reef is 5ml per 100L of tank and a maximum dosage of 20ml. This would translate to an initial 5ml each of Mag/K+ and A- and 50ml of saturated Kalkwasser and a maximum dosage of 20ml each of Mag/K+ and A- and 800ml of saturated Kalkwasser.

So for a 400L volume (my tank) recommended initial dosing would be 20ml of All-for-Reef. So for above, it would be 20ml each of Mag/K+and A- and 200ml saturated Kalk.

In my case since I'm monitoring Ph and Alk, I'm just limiting the raise in Alk by .25dKH per dosing...I'm dosing 4x a day. Per the reef calculator, it takes 900ml of Kalkwasser to have a .25dKH rise in my dKH.

Interestingly enough, the max dosage of All-for-Reef corresponds with a ~.25dKH increase. So I think I have everything lined up...

 

[Klyle]

If you're looking for a complete dosing regiment based on Kalkwasser, here is what I've been toying with that will provide equivalent All-for-Reef supplements. It's a 3-part dosing regiment that takes care of all major and minor ions/elements. You need to monitor pH and Alk for dosing.

1. Saturated Kalkwasser
2. 12g TM Bio-magnesium w/ 900ml of RODI and 100ml of TM K+
3. 900ml of RODI and 100ml of TM A-

For each ml of Kalkwasser dose .1ml of each of the Mag/K+ and A-. (You can concentrate 2 & 3 so as to dose less RODI with them. You can't combine them!)

Recommended initial dosing for All-for-Reef is 5ml per 100L of tank and a maximum dosage of 20ml. This would translate to an initial 5ml each of Mag/K+ and A- and 50ml of saturated Kalkwasser and a maximum dosage of 20ml each of Mag/K+ and A- and 800ml of saturated Kalkwasser.

So for a 400L volume (my tank) recommended initial dosing would be 20ml of All-for-Reef. So for above, it would be 20ml each of Mag/K+and A- and 200ml saturated Kalk.

In my case since I'm monitoring Ph and Alk, I'm just limiting the raise in Alk by .25dKH per dosing...I'm dosing 4x a day. Per the reef calculator, it takes 900ml of Kalkwasser to have a .25dKH rise in my dKH.

Interestingly enough, the max dosage of All-for-Reef corresponds with a ~.25dKH increase. So I think I have everything lined up...

If you're looking for a complete dosing regiment based on Kalkwasser, here is what I've been toying with that will provide equivalent All-for-Reef supplements. It's a 3-part dosing regiment that takes care of all major and minor ions/elements. You need to monitor pH and Alk for dosing.

1. Saturated Kalkwasser
2. 12g TM Bio-magnesium w/ 900ml of RODI and 100ml of TM K+
3. 900ml of RODI and 100ml of TM A-

For each ml of Kalkwasser dose .1ml of each of the Mag/K+ and A-. (You can concentrate 2 & 3 so as to dose less RODI with them. You can't combine them!)

Recommended initial dosing for All-for-Reef is 5ml per 100L of tank and a maximum dosage of 20ml. This would translate to an initial 5ml each of Mag/K+ and A- and 50ml of saturated Kalkwasser and a maximum dosage of 20ml each of Mag/K+ and A- and 800ml of saturated Kalkwasser.

So for a 400L volume (my tank) recommended initial dosing would be 20ml of All-for-Reef. So for above, it would be 20ml each of Mag/K+and A- and 200ml saturated Kalk.

In my case since I'm monitoring Ph and Alk, I'm just limiting the raise in Alk by .25dKH per dosing...I'm dosing 4x a day. Per the reef calculator, it takes 900ml of Kalkwasser to have a .25dKH rise in my dKH.

Interestingly enough, the max dosage of All-for-Reef corresponds with a ~.25dKH increase. So I think I have everything lined up..

If you're looking for a complete dosing regiment based on Kalkwasser, here is what I've been toying with that will provide equivalent All-for-Reef supplements. It's a 3-part dosing regiment that takes care of all major and minor ions/elements. You need to monitor pH and Alk for dosing.

1. Saturated Kalkwasser
2. 12g TM Bio-magnesium w/ 900ml of RODI and 100ml of TM K+
3. 900ml of RODI and 100ml of TM A-

For each ml of Kalkwasser dose .1ml of each of the Mag/K+ and A-. (You can concentrate 2 & 3 so as to dose less RODI with them. You can't combine them!)

Recommended initial dosing for All-for-Reef is 5ml per 100L of tank and a maximum dosage of 20ml. This would translate to an initial 5ml each of Mag/K+ and A- and 50ml of saturated Kalkwasser and a maximum dosage of 20ml each of Mag/K+ and A- and 800ml of saturated Kalkwasser.

So for a 400L volume (my tank) recommended initial dosing would be 20ml of All-for-Reef. So for above, it would be 20ml each of Mag/K+and A- and 200ml saturated Kalk.

In my case since I'm monitoring Ph and Alk, I'm just limiting the raise in Alk by .25dKH per dosing...I'm dosing 4x a day. Per the reef calculator, it takes 900ml of Kalkwasser to have a .25dKH rise in my dKH.

Interestingly enough, the max dosage of All-for-Reef corresponds with a ~.25dKH increase. So I think I have everything lined up...

This is an awesome find! I've recently started thinking of ways to raise my ph. I was considering the co2 reactor route, but honestly it sounds like Kalkwasser will solve many of my issues at once. Now I have unused dosing pumps i was using for 2 part and have been very intrigued by the all for reef system, minus the calcium and alk... this is exactly what I was wondering and you have the recipe already layed out. Thanks!

 

[arking_mark]

This is an awesome find! I've recently started thinking of ways to raise my ph. I was considering the co2 reactor route, but honestly it sounds like Kalkwasser will solve many of my issues at once. Now I have unused dosing pumps i was using for 2 part and have been very intrigued by the all for reef system, minus the calcium and alk... this is exactly what I was wondering and you have the recipe already layed out. Thanks!

There is also high-ph 2-part that boosts pH as well.

I actually ended up getting to a good place with my pH using Kalk + Skimmer + CO2 scrubber.

 

[GoVols]

This is an awesome find! I've recently started thinking of ways to raise my ph. I was considering the co2 reactor route, but honestly it sounds like Kalkwasser will solve many of my issues at once. Now I have unused dosing pumps i was using for 2 part and have been very intrigued by the all for reef system, minus the calcium and alk... this is exactly what I was wondering and you have the recipe already layed out. Thanks!

Just make sure to build in ph shut off sensors for dosing kalk.

guidance:


JMO...
I'd dose mag on the side on a need-be basis.

 

[GoVols]

There is also high-ph 2-part that boosts pH as well.

Which one?

From my understanding, alkalinity and co2 are the two factors that determine your ph.

Kalk can help raise and hold ph because it consumes c02.

 

[arking_mark]

Which one?

From my understanding, alkalinity and co2 are the two factors that determine your ph.

Kalk can help raise and hold ph because it consumes c02.

New DIY Two Part Recipes with Higher pH Boost

Here's a first crack at what may end up being multiple possible recipes for a DIY two part that either has a higher pH or can be made more concentrated than traditional two part recipes. This one has about twice the pH raising effect compared to a carbonate based two part, per unit of...

www.reef2reef.com

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/rhf/index.php

 

[Klyle]

There is also high-ph 2-part that boosts pH as well.

I actually ended up getting to a good place with my pH using Kalk + Skimmer + CO2 scrubber.

I'm going to see if the kalk will get me to where I want before investing in a co2 scrubber...I have a feeling I'll be making that purchase sooner than later though!

 

[GoVols]

New DIY Two Part Recipes with Higher pH Boost

Here's a first crack at what may end up being multiple possible recipes for a DIY two part that either has a higher pH or can be made more concentrated than traditional two part recipes. This one has about twice the pH raising effect compared to a carbonate based two part, per unit of...

www.reef2reef.com

Thanks for the claification
Thought you meant 2 part that you could buy, like ESV.

lol
That kinda ph booster (DIY mix) kinda scares me...

 

[Koigula]

If you're looking for a complete dosing regiment based on Kalkwasser, here is what I've been toying with that will provide equivalent All-for-Reef supplements. It's a 3-part dosing regiment that takes care of all major and minor ions/elements. You need to monitor pH and Alk for dosing.

1. Saturated Kalkwasser
2. 12g TM Bio-magnesium w/ 900ml of RODI and 100ml of TM K+
3. 900ml of RODI and 100ml of TM A-

For each ml of Kalkwasser dose .1ml of each of the Mag/K+ and A-. (You can concentrate 2 & 3 so as to dose less RODI with them. You can't combine them!)

Recommended initial dosing for All-for-Reef is 5ml per 100L of tank and a maximum dosage of 20ml. This would translate to an initial 5ml each of Mag/K+ and A- and 50ml of saturated Kalkwasser and a maximum dosage of 20ml each of Mag/K+ and A- and 800ml of saturated Kalkwasser.

So for a 400L volume (my tank) recommended initial dosing would be 20ml of All-for-Reef. So for above, it would be 20ml each of Mag/K+and A- and 200ml saturated Kalk.

In my case since I'm monitoring Ph and Alk, I'm just limiting the raise in Alk by .25dKH per dosing...I'm dosing 4x a day. Per the reef calculator, it takes 900ml of Kalkwasser to have a .25dKH rise in my dKH.

Interestingly enough, the max dosage of All-for-Reef corresponds with a ~.25dKH increase. So I think I have everything lined up...

Why did you choose TM Biomagnesium instead of TM Part C ( Sodium Free Salt water mix)?

Where did you find this recipie? I just use kalk at 2 to 3 liters a day and part c at 20 to 30 mls per day so magnesium does not drop

 

[arking_mark]

Why did you choose TM Biomagnesium instead of TM Part C ( Sodium Free Salt water mix)?

Where did you find this recipie? I just use kalk at 2 to 3 liters a day and part c at 20 to 30 mls per day so magnesium does not drop

That's probably a better solution!

 

[Koigula]

I do use Tropic Marin Part C separately to just maintain magnesium as a daily automated dose. If I ever needed to adjust Magnesium up I would likely use BRS premix for adjustments. I never had to do this however as 10% weekly water changes are all that is needed. Testing Mag monthly at this point is all that is needed.

ICP does show Iodide in low to correct levels using the Part C. I do have some organism that may benefit from it. I do not think topic is terribly important with 10% weekly water changes. Chasing pH to to kalk levels is likely way more effective for coral growth. Coralline growth took off after having a dedicated Kalk dosing. One of 20 corals was not happy about change, other appeared to like it.

My next project is to finish basement Energy Recovery Ventilation for house. This is energy saving device that exchanges fresh air through enthalpic core (tempers two crossing paths) to cool basement in evening. This shoul raise pH by 0.1 or more by reducing CO2 in house while cooling for 100 watts of fan instead of AC during day.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

None of the ingredients in Part C are designed to offset consumption. That is not its purpose, and is why you will/may need other additives, such as iodine (if you think it is useful; I don't, FWIW).

 

[Koigula]

I can switch to Magnesium Sulfate / Magnesium chloride mix. I could probably just do water changes and monitor too.

Everything is taking off and doing well with Kalk at 1.8 liters a day automated! I have leaving things alone and aintaining through summer.

 

[arking_mark]

None of the ingredients in Part C are designed to offset consumption. That is not its purpose, and is why you will/may need other additives, such as iodine (if you think it is useful; I don't, FWIW).

It just prevents dilution, correct?