Need advice asap for ich

[GothFishKeeper]

Last night I noticed the spots on my skunk clowns, so I spent 3 hours getting them out of the tank and put them in QT and started copper treatment. Now tonight my white tail bristletooth tang has it and it’s much worse than my clowns. The problem is that my QT tank is 10 gallons and I cannot fit or afford any other tank besides my main 65g that would fit all my fish (clown pair, wtbt, pintail fairy wrasse, and pearly jawfish) in my living space.
My tank is only about 5 months old, so i do not have any corals in it. The inverts I have are just a bta, a coral banded shrimp, and snails for cuc. I also have a well established nano tank (13g) with all my corals in it, and there could potentially be a spot for the nem.
So my question is should I simply put my inverts into my nano and copper my fish in my 65g DT? If so, would there be any consequences of that down the line of having copper in the tank now (assuming i run heavy carbon for a long time before putting any inverts or corals in)

 

[Tamberav]

Copper will leech out and make it difficult to keep inverts after.

Hyposalinity in the DT would work but you need to be sure it is ich as it won’t treat velvet.

You would have to remove your inverts to another tank but if your nano has fish.. they can’t go in there.


Can we get photos of the Tang?

 

[Tamberav]

Also you do not have to use a glass tank, I have used 40g rubber made tubs to treat fish. Only downside is they are harder to see if anything else is going wrong since all you have is top down.

 

[Fish Fan]

#fishmedic

I just tagged the R2R fish medic crew of which I am not one of. But if I can try to help, I'd suggest that if one of your fish are sick, they are all sick, even if they are asymptomatic (meaning they are not sowing any signs of illness). They really all need to be treated.

First of all, I'd suggest that you post pics of the fish under bright white lights (turn your blue lights off). It may be Ich, it may not, but I'm sure it needs treatment.

If you can fit ALL your inverts into you 13 gallon coral tank, you may be able to run your main tank at a reduced salinity to rid it of parasites without needing to dose copper. I'll let the R2R fish medic crew advise you there, but think about how you can get all your inverts into your 13 is the way I think this may go.

Good luck!

 

[Fish Fan]

Also you do not have to use a glass tank, I have used 40g rubber made tubs to treat fish. Only downside is they are harder to see if anything else is going wrong since all you have is top down.

Yes, think outside the box when you need an emergency QT tank. Great post!

 

[GothFishKeeper]

Copper will leech out and make it difficult to keep inverts after.

Hyposalinity in the DT would work but you need to be sure it is ich as it won’t treat velvet.

You would have to remove your inverts to another tank but if your nano has fish.. they can’t go in there.


Can we get photos of the Tang?

darn, yeah i have my pygmy wasp in my nano and they don’t tolerate copper so i couldn’t just move him over with the other fish. Tang photos will take a few minutes as she is extremely skiddish and won’t come to me at the glass (i got her 2 weeks ago) but I’ll do my best.

That being said, I don’t even think she’ll be able to come out of the tank simply because she’s so darn fast, especially when she’s freaked out, and I have A LOT of hiding places in the tank that are completely out of my reach

 

[Fish Fan]

Hyposalinity in the DT would work but you need to be sure it is ich as it won’t treat velvet.

I apologize, I was completely forgetting that you are one of the R2R Fish Medics that I always differ to, and recommended that a poster waits for your replies. I did not mean to post over you here :)

I do have a question, please. I thought one of the hallmarks of velvet was that it's so lethal that it kills all fish in a short period of time, like 12-24 hours. So when I see some fish die but others survive, I would think to rule out velvet. Am I wrong here? Thank you for your help!

 

[MnFish1]

Last night I noticed the spots on my skunk clowns, so I spent 3 hours getting them out of the tank and put them in QT and started copper treatment. Now tonight my white tail bristletooth tang has it and it’s much worse than my clowns. The problem is that my QT tank is 10 gallons and I cannot fit or afford any other tank besides my main 65g that would fit all my fish (clown pair, wtbt, pintail fairy wrasse, and pearly jawfish) in my living space.
My tank is only about 5 months old, so i do not have any corals in it. The inverts I have are just a bta, a coral banded shrimp, and snails for cuc. I also have a well established nano tank (13g) with all my corals in it, and there could potentially be a spot for the nem.
So my question is should I simply put my inverts into my nano and copper my fish in my 65g DT? If so, would there be any consequences of that down the line of having copper in the tank now (assuming i run heavy carbon for a long time before putting any inverts or corals in)

Yes - it could have negative consequences. 1. It's much more difficult to dose (assuming there is live rock present), 2. copper can remain adsorbed on the rock - and though it's possible to do so - it's difficult to remove. 3. A QT tank can be a rubbermaid tub (food grade) - with a heater, and a sponge filter. I think you should put all of your fish into another tank and treat with the appropriate copper/prazipro protocol

 

[GothFishKeeper]

Copper will leech out and make it difficult to keep inverts after.

Hyposalinity in the DT would work but you need to be sure it is ich as it won’t treat velvet.

You would have to remove your inverts to another tank but if your nano has fish.. they can’t go in there.


Can we get photos of the Tang?

I’ve spent the last hour trying to take pictures of her, and it’s like trying to take a photo of lightning with the way my rockscape is, however I did get a few not so great shots of her and one pretty okay one (last pic). I’m really hoping these can show you which it is if you’re not already logged off for the night.

 

[Tamberav]

I apologize, I was completely forgetting that you are one of the R2R Fish Medics that I always differ to, and recommended that a poster waits for your replies. I did not mean to post over you here :)

I do have a question, please. I thought one of the hallmarks of velvet was that it's so lethal that it kills all fish in a short period of time, like 12-24 hours. So when I see some fish die but others survive, I would think to rule out velvet. Am I wrong here? Thank you for your help!

It generally is a fast killer though sometimes a fish survive a wipeout. Usually it kills without even seeing spots but not always.

He mentioned this started last night with clowns but today his tang looks bad, sounds like suddenly bad. So I wanted to be sure to know what he has since this seemed to happen quickly.

 

[Tamberav]

I’ve spent the last hour trying to take pictures of her, and it’s like trying to take a photo of lightning with the way my rockscape is, however I did get a few not so great shots of her and one pretty okay one (last pic). I’m really hoping these can show you which it is if you’re not already logged off for the night.

Yes it looks to be ich. Maybe some mucus plugs mixed in.

 

[Fish Fan]

Double post, my apologies!

 

[Fish Fan]

It generally is a fast killer though sometimes a fish survive a wipeout. Usually it kills without even seeing spots but not always.

He mentioned this started last night with clowns but today his tang looks bad, sounds like suddenly bad. So I wanted to be sure to know what he has since this seemed to happen quickly.

Thank you much for you help! I don't mean to post over the OP's thread here, but I appreciate you addressing this!

 

[GothFishKeeper]

Yes it looks to be ich. Maybe some mucus plugs mixed in.

Okay thank you!! So for hyposalinity, what SG would you suggest I bring it down to and how quickly? Also how long should I keep it at that

 

[GothFishKeeper]

Okay thank you!! So for hyposalinity, what SG would you suggest I bring it down to and how quickly? Also how long should I keep it at that

Also, are you sure my inverts will be okay during hyposalinity? I thought they were typically pretty sensitive to salinity

 

[GothFishKeeper]

Also, are you sure my inverts will be okay during hyposalinity? I thought they were typically pretty sensitive to salinity

Oh sorry i just reread and saw you said theyd have to be removed

 

[Tamberav]

Also, are you sure my inverts will be okay during hyposalinity? I thought they were typically pretty sensitive to salinity

No sorry, to clarify, you still have to remove the inverts.

It is just so you don’t expose the rock to copper.

This is the thread on hypo, it requires keeping an eye and possibly buffing pH. Also if you have a lot of bristle worms or such, all of those will die. You want to watch ammonia too, an ammonia alert badge is helpful.

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity (Osmotic Shock Therapy) What It Treats – Marine Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans) and Flukes (Monogeneans). How To Treat – Place the fish you wish to treat in a quarantine tank with SG & temperature matching the tank they came from. Over a period of 48 hours, gradually lower the SG...

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[Jay Hemdal]

Oh sorry i just reread and saw you said theyd have to be removed

I agree, this is ich (the larger spots on the tang's head are mucus plugs, but the spots on the fins are ich). All exposed fish will need to be treated, and any invertebrates will need to be housed in a fishless tank for at least 45 days.

Yes - remove all invertebrate for hypo. Here are the instructions for this process:

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2024 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

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