Poll: QT method - Proactive, Passive, I don't quarantine?

[huthain]

I wonder how many voted that they QT but don't

Its a tie between QT and not to QT right now... this is intense hahaha

 

[ReefED!]

Quarantine or learn the hard way

I did the latter now I do the former

At least for ich/velvet

Flukes don’t seem as deadly, transmissible across species , and are treatable in tank if absolutely necessary

Uronema seems to only really be an issue with certain types of fish

That’s just my opinion - I QT for all.

 

[exnisstech]

Didnt think it would get this much traction honestly its been my main source of entertainment haha

QT vs not QT always gets attention and ussually end up similar with those that QT feeling everyone should QT or your playing with a ticking time bomb. The folks that don't QT just don't do it but couldn't care less if someone else chooses to. I guess the QT people feel stronger about their cause

 

[JumboShrimp]

Next Scheduled Polls:

Dogs vs. Cats
Coke vs. Pepsi

 

[winxp_man]

I've done TTM and it takes up a lot of space and is less stressful to the fish compare to copper. I have also purchased from Dr Reef as I've gotten too busy to do the QT myself. I personally prefer to QT as its one less thing I have to worry about when it comes to this hobby.

How is copper stressful? Unless you’re referring to cupramine. Ionic vs Chelated copper is the key. In the almost two years I have been using copper, unless it’s uronema I have not had any issues because of copper.

Most will agree that TTM is actually more stressful. And the amount of work it takes vs copper power or copper safe.

 

[fishface NJ]

In the past I 100% would do a Jay QT protocol. I'm too old and have gotten lazy so I would let others (Dr Reef, TSM, etc) do it for me.

Voted: OTHER

 

[winxp_man]

I wonder how many voted that they QT but don't

I wonder how many vote no but do. I saw a post that said he voted no, but does QT.

Or that he/she buys QT’ed fish. Does vote count? I think the main question is if you technically believe in QT. QT is QT, regardless if you have a fish you QT’ed yourself or bought one QT’ed no?

 

[huthain]

Quarantine or learn the hard way

I did the latter now I do the former

At least for ich/velvet

Flukes don’t seem as deadly, transmissible across species , and are treatable in tank if absolutely necessary

Uronema seems to only really be an issue with certain types of fish

That’s just my opinion - I QT for all.

Ive learnt this the hard way again, so clearly the non QT route didnt work for me time to switch ways!

 

[huthain]

Next Scheduled Polls:

Dogs vs. Cats
Coke vs. Pepsi

Dogs and Pepsi easy!

 

[oakcityreefer]

Next Scheduled Polls:

Dogs vs. Cats
Coke vs. Pepsi

Dogs and Pepsi easy!

What? Cats and Coke for sure.

 

[huthain]

In the past I 100% would do a Jay QT protocol. I'm too old and have gotten lazy so I would let others (Dr Reef, TSM, etc) do it for me.

Voted: OTHER

I did approach a guy to do it for me he said he would charge me 20 dollars per fish. But honestly sounded too shady so I went ahead and invested in a setup. Hopefully once I start a tank thread ill share pics of everything. My new tank has been stuck in hormuz for what feels like ages but it should be here soon.

 

[huthain]

I wonder how many vote no but do. I saw a post that said he voted no, but does QT.

Or that he/she buys QT’ed fish. Does vote count? I think the main question is if you technically believe in QT. QT is QT, regardless if you have a fish you QT’ed yourself or bought one QT’ed no?

Regardless of whether you did it or someone else did it, still counts as a vote to yes I do quarantine

 

[C_AWOL]

Do you run Jay's method of QT? Thats what I will go with once I start

I think my method is more aggressive than Jays.

Pre-match salinity in cycled qt > 30m peroxide dip > 2.50ppm copper power (21 days) + prazi x 3 doses every 7 days + 14 doses of metronidazole every other day (mostly to ensure brooklynellas gone over intestinal related stuff) + 2 weeks of observation after everything is completed.

I would suggest a slightly lower level on copper if you don't have an ato set up though since you don't want to be in the upper level of copper otherwise.

After treatment for the fish is done, I'll fully clean the qt and restart it for the next possible batch of desired fish.

For corals (they get dipped) and inverts, they get thrown into a tank without fish for 3 months prior to introduction into the proper display.


Keep in mind the most important thing above all else (particularly for fish) is having a well cycled qt with plenty of biomedia that's capable of handling the intended fish load (I use multiple pre-cycled sponge filters + 2 large hang ons on a 40g) along with prepared water for water changes (ideally pre-loaded with matching copper when needed)

 

[oakcityreefer]

I don’t but I do. Like many I use Dr Reef. So I voted proactive. If I couldn’t pay someone else, I would do it myself. Just have too much invested to take a chance without doing it.

 

[huthain]

I think my method is more aggressive than Jays.

Pre-match salinity in cycled qt > 30m peroxide dip > 2.50ppm copper power (21 days) + prazi x 3 doses every 7 days + 14 doses of metronidazole every other day (mostly to ensure brooklynellas gone over intestinal related stuff) + 2 weeks of observation after everything is completed.

I would suggest a slightly lower level on copper if you don't have an ato set up though since you don't want to be in the upper level of copper otherwise.

After treatment for the fish is done, I'll fully clean the qt and restart it for the next possible batch of desired fish.

For corals (they get dipped) and inverts, they get thrown into a tank without fish for 3 months prior to introduction into the proper display.


Keep in mind the most important thing above all else (particularly for fish) is having a well cycled qt with plenty of biomedia that's capable of handling the intended fish load (I use multiple pre-cycled sponge filters + 2 large hang ons on a 40g) along with prepared water for water changes (ideally pre-loaded with matching copper when needed)

Sounds intense! How often do you water change throughout this and how big are the waterchanges? Also would it work to have the same QT tank for fish and corals? I assume they just go through the same process of leave them there and observe right

 

[atoll]

I wonder how many votes but do. I saw a post that said he voted no, but does QT.

Or that he/she buys QT’ed fish. Does vote count? I think the main question is if you technically believe in QT. QT is QT, regardless if you have a fish you QT’ed yourself or bought one QT’ed no?

You can change your vote on this poll.
IMHO, no I don't believe a shop QT qualifies for you QTing as per the question.
If I bought a tank built for me I wouldn't claim I built it. Like wise an LFS QTing isnt anybody else QTing. Then again I haven't ever QTd anyway and not only that I don't believe it's in the best interest for our fish.
Has said above, am not so bothered if people prefer to QT in its many forms inc medicating. I have just found it unnecessary as I have posted above. The survival and long term health of the fish is what's important to me.

 

[mchans]

I did not QT until 4 months ago. I am a member of Serious Reefs and I vowed to follow the SRQT program. I've only lost one fish out of 14 during the QT process, and that fish died the first night before medication even really started. I've got to tell everyone the SRQT is so straight forward and treats for all the major issues. I've now QTed sensitive fish all of them, except for one had zero issues. If you aren't a member of Serious Reefs I would highly recommend it.

 

[huthain]

I did not QT until 4 months ago. I am a member of Serious Reefs and I vowed to follow the SRQT program. I've only lost one fish out of 14 during the QT process, and that fish died the first night before medication even really started. I've got to tell everyone the SRQT is so straight forward and treats for all the major issues. I've now QTed sensitive fish all of them, except for one had zero issues. If you aren't a member of Serious Reefs I would highly recommend it.

Where can I find more info on this?

 

[winxp_man]

Ive learnt this the hard way again, so clearly the non QT route didnt work for me time to switch ways!

Velvet is my issue. Ich, yes can be mananged, and even then if you don’t have the time to be meticulous with management you will lose fish. As I stated before on this forum. We owe these fish the best we can do. And if you above to time for management go for it. But if you don’t QT it is.

Even flukes can be dealt with in tank, Uronema is the one that is just there. People I think conflate the two, ich and uronema. Ich if you don’t see any evidence of it within a year/year n half on your fish in said tank, is it really in the tank then? How the HeLLo is it surviving? It can’t is the simple answer.

But the enemy velvet please do tell and want the non QT dudes to answer this, how you get out of that without QT? What management system works for velvet???

And if you want to keep say don’t QT, please do tell where you get your fish from….. NOT all people have a place that is trustable! Let me send you a free fish from one of my LSF’s that is near me. I bet you will convert to QT everything and it’s mum real quick! I will post a pic I took just the other day. And sadly many clients buy from here and come back with dead fish. This fish full of ich, and the tanks in this LFS have about every disease you can think of. And not many know. It’s why I tell all QT.

What’s worse, is this shop gets some of the best fish you will find locally. The pair of maroons I have are from here, again they have the best selection when it comes to even clowns. But everything is a must QT from this shop. So how many more shops like this in other areas? I would say a lot. Got fish from two vendors I will not mention online, good looking fish, but both places ended up with major ich. All fish survived with QT doing the trick.

Lastly, what do we say? No two tanks are alike. No two people are alike. So QT becomes a safer route. There is a reason why there a an emergency section here full of issues with people needing help. Time and money is the bottom line I would say.

 

[ShakeyGizzard]

I think the most important first step is choosing a healthy looking fish. Unfortunately that isn't possible for everyone and they get what they are shipped.

I try to avoid any fish purchases online if anyway possible. I do dip frags and treat the plug to help keep algae outbreaks down.